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club claims ( 17:51:04 TueJan 10 2012 )

I have recieved e-mails from friends and contacts from a couple of club members to ask a few questions on the open forum,
I guess I am the scape goat if anyone gets mad.
The last couple of news letters have focused on new opportunities in oregon, no mention of things going on with the claims in california. does this mean that we are moving north for our mining?
The issue with the permits for highbanking in california as far as i can find out has not been determined on the club claims other than " read this and determin for yourself if they can make these laws".
In a news letter it says that group outings will occure this year as they have in the past, does this mean that the club has ( or will ) pay for a permit for the outings?
I have been following the articles about the "laws" that are being placed upon miners without facts. Leading to the question: if I go ahead and highbank on club claims, will my ( or others ) actions go against the club? (staying within the clubs rules ).
As we ponder some of these questions through the winter, getting ready for the next season, and hoping to bring new members into the club, I am not sure if this is the place to discuss these topics, or if they could be in the news letter to the membership. friends that have e-mailed me have been looking on this forum for these discussions. along with looking through the web site in search of some clear answers from the powers that be.
Nobody wants to make mistakes that will result in tickets and possible problems for the club, or the leverage that the opposition wants.
As I said, I am being the scape goat for this post, so I hope it will be taken in the spirit of educating the membership and not as any criticism.

Rick

  
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Re: club claims ( 00:13:43 WedJan 11 2012 )

I am extremely interested in the answer to the question about permits for high-banking as I am planning a trip to HC this spring and the answer to that question will determine where I end up.

  
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Re: club claims ( 03:07:12 WedJan 11 2012 )

Let's just keep this answer simple; because it touches on legal matters that are best left out of the public forum:

1) We are expanding dredging opportunities into Oregon because, while we continue to fight for California, there is no guarantee that we will be operating our dredges there for a while. The primary purpose of our organization is to help provide mining opportunities for our members. For the moment, this requires we move north to Oregon for dredging. You will be hearing more about this in the coming months.

Our members are fortunate that our headquarters is so close to the State line, making it easy for us to maintain and expand our dredging opportunities, even while California has closed dredging off for the moment. We have aggressively pursued the opportunity.

2) Oregon's rules on mining outside of the waterway are not nearly as friendly as what we enjoy in northern California. So, while we will be dredging in Oregon, we will encourage our members to do non-dredge mining on our very extensive properties in northern California.

Despite all the chatter and concerns expressed about the need for a new permit to operate a high-banker, we do not see that anything has changed from the last 25 years. California has very strict laws that prevent its agencies from enacting new rules or regulations upon an industry without following the public process.

If someone gets cited on our properties for doing a surface mining practice which has been widespread throughout the State and a common practice to our industry for the past hundred+ years, we will throw the full weight of our considerable legal resources behind the defense.

As far as we are concerned, traditional high-banking activity will continue with no changes.

3) Believe me; if our internal rules or guidelines change, you guys will be the first to know. There is nobody asleep at this wheel! It is just better to keep silent on legal matters. Our adversaries never miss an opportunity to use our statements against us in the legal proceedings.

  
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Re: club claims ( 04:23:43 WedJan 11 2012 )

I do have a question about expanding club claims, with what is happening in Cali and the outlook is that is may be a few years before we can dredge there will you be looking to expand the clubs claims to Oregon with new private claims for members to use?

  
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Re: club claims ( 15:54:13 WedJan 11 2012 )

Thanks Dave I'll be there May or June, pump and sluice ready to go. Al

  
rickther
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Re: club claims ( 16:06:33 WedJan 11 2012 )

thanks Dave, I will be up there also.
I also wanted to say thank you for your ongoing work finding new opportunities for the club.
I will pass this message on to others in the hopes that they will become members.

  
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Re: club claims ( 18:45:01 WedJan 11 2012 )

THE MAN!!!!! Thanks Dave for saying it to the point and bluntly. This is why I have donated gold for the Legal Defense Auction Site. I have had questions about the highbanking situation----you ended those correctly.

As for Oregon, I have been looking for land there for months now, and to many restrictions (covenants)---and---to high $$$$ for my likings---acreage is offered in miniscule sizes---with to many greenies everywhere. I will be contacting Jason next.

Thanks again for all you do, and look forward to getting there someday. BEAMMAKER:doublethumbsup:

  
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Re: club claims ( 01:48:10 ThuJan 12 2012 )

The answer is yes to YellowFever. It is already happening. We are hoping this will create some camping opportunities which do not exist over on the Rogue.

Stay tuned for more good news!

  
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Re: club claims ( 03:58:25 FriJan 13 2012 )

If it is really okay to use my high banker, how about using a hydro-force dry land dredge to do some so-called 'booming'? The huge boulders in all the accessible areas look too hard to move for this 69 year old guy! Booming looks like the only way to move material into the high banker vs. a #2 shovel. We looked all around the nearby claims by Scott river and were not too encouraged to try digging in all those huge boulder strewn bars.....

  
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Re: club claims ( 19:50:32 FriJan 13 2012 )

Quote: melarry at 03:58:25 Fri Jan 13 2012


how about using a hydro-force dry land dredge to do some so-called 'booming'?

DFG says NO....

  
rickther
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Re: club claims ( 00:38:47 SatJan 14 2012 )

you might try reading this thread. It has to do with booming http://bb.bbboy.net/thenew49ers-viewthread?forum=2&thread=387
[1 edits; Last edit by rickther at 00:40:19 Sat Jan 14 2012]

  
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Re: club claims ( 01:29:35 SunJan 15 2012 )

Dave wrote "As far as we are concerned, traditional high-banking activity will continue with no changes."

I am super-happy to hear this. Going to Happy Camp has been an immense pleasure for me. I have met lots of interesting people, learned a bunch, and I am very eager to return as soon as I can. :whoohoo:

  
rickther
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Re: club claims ( 03:36:06 SunJan 15 2012 )

Let's all do the gold dance...:whoohoo: :whoohoo: :whoohoo:

  
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Re: club claims ( 23:14:31 SunJan 15 2012 )

I have been wanting to come to Happy Camp for several years. I finally joined the New 49ers in September or October. Only problem is that I help out in an RV Park in Gold Beach from April to the middle of September which severly limits my time to prospect. Is there still opportunities to hi-bank that late in the year?

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Re: club claims ( 00:42:24 MonJan 16 2012 )

Highbanking really improves in Oct. Our wet season normally starts third week of Nov. and runs through mid March. However this year we are still waiting for it to get here. Winter highbanking is a lot easier than roasting in 95+ temperatures.

  
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Re: club claims ( 16:04:22 MonJan 16 2012 )

The best highbanking time of year is the cool season. I've little tolerance for the summer heat and sunburn. The fall and spring fit my prefernces best. Winter can be too chilly to be getting wet. This morning it's 21 degrees.

  

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