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Why Oregon? ( 01:47:23 MonMar 26 2012 )

I get an occasional query from other prospectors wondering why we are busy reinvesting our resources into Oregon, rather than California. And there is no way I could provide an explanation better than the following statement made by the former mayor of San Diego, Roger Hedgecock, who is now a nationally-syndicated radio talk-show host at RADIO STATION 600 AM, SAN DIEGO:

CALIFORNIA IS OBAMA’S DREAM
Written by Roger Hedgecock, former Mayor of San Diego

I live in California. If you were wondering what living in Obama's second term would be like, wonder no longer. We in California are living there now.

California is a one-party state dominated by a virulent Democrat Left enabled by a complicit media where every agency of local, county, and state government is run by and for the public employee unions. The unemployment rate is 12%.

California has more folks on food stamps than any other state, has added so many benefits and higher rates to Medicaid that we call it "Medi-Cal." Our K-12 schools have more administrators than teachers, with smaller classes but lower test scores and higher dropout rates with twice the per-student budget of 15 years ago. Good job, Brownie.

This week, the once and current Gov. Jerry "Moon-beam" Brown had to confess that the "balanced" state budget adopted five months ago was billions in the red because actual tax revenues were billions lower than the airy-fairy revenue estimates on which the balance was predicated.

After trimming legislators' perks and reducing the number of cell phones provided to state civil servants, the governor intoned that drastic budget reductions had already hollowed out state programs for the
needy, law enforcement and our schoolchildren. California government needed more money.

Echoing the Occupy movement, the governor proclaimed the rich must pay their fair share. Fair share? The top 1% of California income earners currently pays 50% of the state's income tax.

California has seven income tax brackets. The top income tax rate is 9.3%, which is slapped on the greedy rich earning at least $47,056 a year. Income of more than $1 million pays the "millionaires' and
billionaires'" surcharge tax rate of 10.3%.

Brown's proposal would add 2% for income over $250,000. A million-dollar income would then be taxed at 12.3%. And that's just for the state.

Brown also proposed a one-half-cent sales tax increase, which would bring sales taxes (which vary by county) up to 7.75% to as much as 10%. Both tax increases would be on the ballot in 2012.

The sales tax increase proposal immediately brought howls of protest from the Left (of Brown!). Charlie Eaton, a sociology grad student at UC Berkeley and leader of the UC Student-Workers Union, said,
"We've paid enough. It's time for millionaires to pay."

At least five other ballot measures to raise taxes are circulating for signatures to get on the 2012 ballot in California . The governor's proposals are the most conservative.

The Obama way doesn't end with taxes.

The governor and the state legislature continue to applaud the efforts of the California High Speed Rail Authority to build a train connecting Los Angeles and San Francisco . Even though the budget is three times the voter-approved amount, and the first segment will only connect two small towns in the agricultural Central Valley . But hey, if we build it, they will ride.

And we don't want to turn down the Obama bullet-train bucks Florida and other states rejected because the operating costs would bankrupt them. Can't happen here because we're already insolvent.

If we get into real trouble with the train, we'll just bring in the Chinese. It worked with the Bay Bridge reconstruction. After the 1989 earthquake, the bridge connecting Oakland and San Francisco was rebuilt with steel made in China . Workers from China too. Paid for with money borrowed from China . Makes perfect sense.

In California , we hate the evil, greedy rich (except the rich in Hollywood, in sports, and in drug dealing). But we love people who have broken into California to eat the bounty created by the productive rich.

Illegals get benefits from various generous welfare programs, free medical care, free schools for their kids, including meals, and of course, instate tuition rates and scholarships too. Nothing's too good for our guests.

To erase even a hint of criticism of illegal immigration, the California Legislature is considering a unilateral state amnesty. Democrat State Assemblyman Felipe Fuentes has proposed an initiative that would bar deportation of illegals from California .

Interesting dilemma for Obama there. If immigration is exclusively a federal matter, and Obama has sued four states for trying to enforce federal immigration laws he won't enforce, what will the President do to a California law that exempts California from federal immigration law?

California is also near fulfilling the environmentalist dream of deindustrialization.

After driving out the old industrial base (auto and airplane assembly, for example), air and water regulators and tax policies are now driving out the high-tech, biotech and even Internet-based companies that were supposed to be California's future.

The California cap-and-trade tax on business in the name of reducing CO2 makes our state the leader in wacky environmentalism and guarantees a further job exodus from the state.

Even green energy companies can't do business in California . Solyndra went under, taking its taxpayer loan guarantee with it.

No job is too small to escape the regulators. The state has even banned weekend amateur gold miners from the historic gold mining streams in the Sierra Nevada Mountains .

In fact, more and more of California's public land is off-limits to recreation by the people who paid for that land. Unless you're illegal.

Then you can clear the land, set up marijuana plantations at will, bring in fertilizers that legal farmers can no longer use, exploit illegal farm workers who live in hovels with no running water or sanitation, and protect your investment with armed illegals carrying guns no California citizen is allowed to own.

The rest of us only found out about these plantations when the workers' open campfire started one of those devastating fires that have killed hundreds of people and burned out thousands of homes in California over the last decade.

It's often said that whatever happens in California will soon happen in your state.

You'd better hope that's wrong.



  
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Re: Why Oregon? ( 07:23:12 MonMar 26 2012 )

Wow! lots of great points, I know little of California politics but can relate here in Arizona. Seems like the forest circus and blm Here are following California in the Race to take our rights away. They just destroyed a 165 yr old mining trail and put a gate up for Border patrol that leaves me 2 miles from my life time diggin area, which has accounted for many memories and ounces of gold.

Thats why im going to Oregon this summer :ugone2far:

  
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Re: Why Oregon? ( 16:46:32 TueMar 27 2012 )

There is no shortage of lefties feeding at the trough in Oregon.

  
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Re: Why Oregon? ( 21:44:11 TueMar 27 2012 )

Border Boy...
I can tell you that every word of Rogers letter is true, no exaggeration! I could actually add to it but "...enough said".

  
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Re: Why Oregon? ( 00:24:08 WedMar 28 2012 )

Wow it is depressing to wonder what the future holds for people like us. I Just found out today that the forest service and blm down here in SoAz is closing down all 4x4 acess roads into our mountains, sure you can still go to the picknic grounds on maintained roads but my rights say i can make something out of those lands and have access to them too.

I wonder if my children will even get to dredge , or grab up a paleo pick and a Minelab to go nugget hunting. The way things are going I wouldnt be suprised if they can even grow there own food someday.

I know Oregon (never been there) is just like everywhere else and is probably soon to follow but am thankful theres still somewhere i can crank up the honda, and look forward to learning around the camp fire (if thats still allowed) from some of you more expierenced gentlemen.

  
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Re: Why Oregon? ( 08:07:54 SatMar 31 2012 )

Man; what an article...the Mayer sounds sad and disgusted as he should be...his beautiful California is on the edge of being a lost cause.

Alan



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Re: Why Oregon? ( 00:00:39 MonApr 2 2012 )

Quote: wildminer at 16:46:32 Tue Mar 27 2012

There is no shortage of lefties feeding at the trough in Oregon.


Yeah, but we try to keep them down in Ashland & Medford... we're thinking about putting "liberal detectors" up around Gold Hill -- :devil:

  
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Re: Why Oregon? ( 00:09:36 MonApr 2 2012 )

Quote: bearkat at 08:07:54 Sat Mar 31 2012

...his beautiful California is on the edge of being a lost cause.


Alan, I was born & raised in SoCal. Left for many years, then came back to the Happy Camp area about 5 years ago... things had changed, but nothing super drastic. Went back east for about 3 years & came back to HC at the start of last season -- and got one hell of a shock.

After fighting CDFG all season over "booming", and losing every round -- never did get to do any real mining last season -- I finally gave up; I bought an old Keene triple-sluice dredge & moved to Grants Pass, Oregon.

I have the dredge completely rebuilt, have all my permits, almost all of my dive gear (just need weights, which I will have next week) and will be one of the first ones on the South Umpqua. The Oregon agencies I have dealt with have been courteous, and have put no unreasonable obstacles in my way -- I got more done here in 2 months than I did all last year in California.

When my experiences with both states are put in contrast to one another -- I should have given up on California a long time ago. California is a lost cause, and the liberals there have already won -- best we can do is try to get ahead of them here in Oregon. We know their tactics now, so we might have the advantage here where they haven't already taken over.

Personally, I will never grace California with my presence or my tax dollars ever again.

John
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Re: Why Oregon? ( 18:24:18 MonApr 2 2012 )

John,

Your story is tough to hear as I also have had great times in Happy Camp and now see going there for gold as almost a lost cause...but I do have some metal detecting hot spots I'm researching.

I love to highbank down there...

Very sad though...California is beautiful, wonderful place with great people (save the leftist) but run by nut head, psychotic agendas which have no end to their energy and resources.

What's God's perspective on liberal, leftist pukes?
Well, Here it is:

Ecclesiastes 10, Ver 2

2: The heart of the wise inclines to the right,
but the heart of the fool to the left.

Alan
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Re: Why Oregon? ( 01:04:29 TueApr 3 2012 )

I am a new member of the New 49er's, I just bought my membership a few months ago and I have been making plans to come up there from Florida the first of May and spend the summer. I have been looking forward to this trip for years.

But I have to say this talk of leftist-pukes is giving me pause about how welcome I will be since I consider myself more of a liberal than a conservative.

I just want to state that both political parties steal our rights as American citizens. I was a commercial fisherman in Florida and I remember the net ban to stop fisherman from gillnetting in Florida(which was one of the first industries in Florida.) One of the biggest backers of the bill was Norman Schwarzkopf, stormin norman of the first Iraq war. And my livehood was voted away by the predominate republican party here in Florida.

So please let me know if my being a leftist- puke is going to be a problem while I look for gold.

  
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Re: Why Oregon? ( 01:25:07 TueApr 3 2012 )

seb1008: Make your trip to the home country of the New 49ers; you will find that indeed the klamath valley is beautiful, and the folks will welcome you as a gold seeker.

HOWEVER: Leave your left leaning feelings in the closet for a while. Observe the folks you meet playing in the dirt, get dirty/get wet/get some yellar metal. Talk with the folks around the campfires and listen real well to why they feel the way they feel. In our simple pursuit of freedom loving mining and dredging----we have been screwed down constantly.

IN TIME: you may even turn to the conservative side. You will fall in love with the gals in the office. Almost every member will be helpful and you WILL GET GOLD FEVER DELUXE!!!!

So, make the trip with a good attitude, and enjoy getting wet and muddy and bitten by the metal. Beammaker, Wyo.

  
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Re: Why Oregon? ( 02:41:04 TueApr 3 2012 )

Yes; by all means come on out and dig for some gold...you will be welcomed...

Funny though; you mentioned the leftist pukes comment instead of God's opinion about leftist...

:devil:



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Re: Why Oregon? ( 03:17:39 TueApr 3 2012 )

Yes -- Beammaker said it and I could not have put it any better!

And Alan... you're terrible! :devil:

  
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Re: Why Oregon? ( 03:29:10 TueApr 3 2012 )

I am looking forward to looking for gold up there. The last time I got to look for gold was when I was living 50 miles from the nearest road on the Yukon River in what is now Yukon Charly Preserve in Alaska back in 1973, probably the best time in my life.
I probably am a fool in alot of peoples eyes the way I live my life, but I can say I have lived it the way I wanted to.



Besides all of this political crap I am bringing my
Gold Bug SE up with me, maybe we can get together and compare your AT Gold with the Gold Bug. Seb
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Re: Why Oregon? ( 04:05:02 TueApr 3 2012 )

Hey Seb you must be the same Seb from the other metal detector forums?
Yeh, bring that Fisher, would be nice to compare the 2 machines as they are very close in frequency...I'd like to see them side by side in the field working.

Could put on some decent areas for a chance to hit a nugget or 2.

Take care,

Alan



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Re: Why Oregon? ( 04:46:29 TueApr 3 2012 )

rrrr eeee vvvv ooooll uu,tee iioo nnn

sing it like mickey mouse.

  
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Re: Why Oregon? ( 05:14:50 TueApr 3 2012 )

Liberal....conservative.....apples....oranges.....they all turn brown and fuzzy after they fall off the tree and I can't count more than a half of a basket of good fruit in the politcal scene. The trouble with all politicos is that they want to make laws and all the good ones where made long ago. I'm a Libdredgeative, period!!!Ha
It sounds like you will fit in just fine in the Happy Camp area. Enjoy your trip.

  
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Re: Why Oregon? ( 13:51:16 TueApr 3 2012 )

Yes that is me bearkat. thank you for the offer and I am looking forward to meeting and detecting with you.
I can understand how you all feel watching them take away everything you loved doing.
When they banned gill netting here in Florida I started diving for clams then that died of from over building and enviromental destruction to the lagoon so I built up an ocean going boat to fish for King Mackeral and then the Feds started throwing so many regulations at you I could not even make a living because all the crap they made you buy and the hoops you had to jump through I said screw it and sold my boat.

So that's why I am so psyched about coming out there. Mining is one of the last things we have left where it is just you and the earth and no one always on your back.

One last question, what are these vague kind of rumors I read every now and then about Ecuador and gold?

Take care, seb

  
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Re: Why Oregon? ( 14:31:19 WedApr 4 2012 )

Seb

Also from FL, my family owned a seafood market for 31 years.
Closed June 1, 1996 due to net ban. Voters changed FL forever.
At least the state had to buy all the equipment from the fishermen!
Something CA residents should look into make the state buy back all the old broken dredges!

Good luck with the gold!

Dan

  

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