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South Umpqua Access Guide! ( 11:26:31 MonMar 26 2012 )

We have the initial South Umpqua Access Guide up on line and it is looking good!

For now, the map and Guide are showing the 19 State Lands areas that we have identified as open to suction dredging.

New properties which we have purchased will be added as we verify all the details.

The only thing missing from the new guide are road directions to each access point from the nearest numbered exit from Interstate 5. We are working on that.

A lot of work went into this. It is good to see it all come together in a nice package!


  
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Re: South Umpqua Access Guide! ( 19:10:07 MonMar 26 2012 )

Thanks Dave,
And thanks to all who made this possible. After looking at just a couple of the links I see that these properties are more expansive than I originally thought.

Tom

  
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Re: South Umpqua Access Guide! ( 00:00:52 TueMar 27 2012 )

Is they a way to attach the township,range,section for each of the claims?? This would help all members new and old fill out the info for the DEQ permit!
Besides as they say its just a general starting point you can dredge anywhere on that permit from what I hear. Dont want anyone to miss out on dredging. :whoohoo:
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Re: South Umpqua Access Guide! ( 00:33:59 TueMar 27 2012 )

"New properties which we have purchased will be added as we verify all the details".

Please include the Township, Range and Section for the New
49er's claims on the S. Umpqua River when they become available....I'm so excited to be able to use my membership to dredge on club claims and I can't wait forever on CA!:thankyou:

Bill
Laporte, CO.

  
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Re: South Umpqua Access Guide! ( 00:39:06 TueMar 27 2012 )

Yeah Bill, your going to get some gold this time! Just dont forget to move around! Scott

  
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Re: South Umpqua Access Guide! ( 03:17:43 TueMar 27 2012 )

I'm browsing the new Public Access maps, got them saved on Google Earth...Tried to see if I could get the coordinates changed to Township, Range, Section but could not, found all sorts of other things you can do in the "Tools / options" menu, but not that...
Go to SU9 in Google Maps, zoom down stream of the access/boat ramp...look just up stream of the gravel "island", there is a dredge operating & that's right where I would be!!!

  
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Re: South Umpqua Access Guide! ( 09:49:10 ThuMar 29 2012 )

Others have also been asking for coordinates so they can place something on their permit applications. Here is what Mark Chestnut answered to them:

"It really doesn't matter as the location you list on your DEQ 700pm permit is not the only place you can dredge. So here are the coordinates for the South Umpqua just north of the town of Myrtle Creek in the public dredging area. Section 20, T29S, R05W"

We are still working feverishly to confirm that all of the new properties are solid before we go public with them. Hang in there.

On another note, the State Lands permit is now taking longer to process. So I would not wait until the last moment.

  
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Re: South Umpqua Access Guide! ( 04:43:31 SatMar 31 2012 )

may i ask what you mean by the state lands permit?

  
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Re: South Umpqua Access Guide! ( 14:22:15 SatMar 31 2012 )

Oregon has land set aside for multiple uses by residents and non-residents alike. You know, fishing access, wandering beaches, swimming and important for us legal places to metal detect, sluice and dredge without fear of being on anotherís claimed lands or breaking some Government regulation. You can read about permits and the need or not to get a permit to operate motorized and non-motorized equipment.
Even if your activity does not require a permit, it may be best to add high-banker and get one just in case you decide to operate with an electric or gas powered water pump.
Permits are valid for one year and youíll be required to submit a year end form stating where youíve worked and how much aggregate (gravel) youíve processed.
The website is interesting.
I learned a cubic yard of material is equal to about 30 five gallon buckets. All along I thought I had processed many cubic yards, only to find out Iíve not.
http://www.oregon.gov/DSL/PERMITS/ga_placerinfo.shtml

  
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Re: South Umpqua Access Guide! ( 14:26:52 SatMar 31 2012 )

The folks responsible for locating all of the State Lands along the S. Umpqua have done good (thanks). Compare their findings to a great State Lands map at:
http://chetco.dsl.state.or.us/sli/index.html
and you'll see they have listed more lands than are marked on the map.

  
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Re: South Umpqua Access Guide! ( 15:09:09 SatMar 31 2012 )

Someone told you wrong, Bill....

1 US gallon = 0.133680556 cubic foot

thus, there are 40.39 "compacted" buckets in a cubic yard. Probably more like 50 buckets if you are just shoveling it in loose.

  
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Re: South Umpqua Access Guide! ( 16:35:55 SatMar 31 2012 )

I didn't see any of the State lands located in river beds on that link, including the Rogue river from the mouth to Lost Creek reservoir.

There will be more info coming very soon to this guide. As Dave wrote, it is a work in progress.

I will add section, township and range info to my project list.

Mark

  
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Re: South Umpqua Access Guide! ( 00:53:55 SunApr 1 2012 )

:thankyou: Exciting!

  
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Re: South Umpqua Access Guide! ( 14:31:18 SunApr 1 2012 )

Quote: Dave_Mack at 09:49:10 Thu Mar 29 2012

On another note, the State Lands permit is now taking longer to process. So I would not wait until the last moment.

Boy, I'm glad I didn't wait... got both of mine -- DSL Permit 2 months ago, DEQ Permit last month... all permitted. The only thing I still need are weights, then I'm ready to hit the river!

Sure hope this "new" Keene triple-sluice does a good job!

  
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Re: South Umpqua Access Guide! ( 14:37:26 SunApr 1 2012 )

Quote: eboutfit at 04:43:31 Sat Mar 31 2012

may i ask what you mean by the state lands permit?

The permit you must have from the Oregon Department of State Lands -- it is free, you just have to apply for it on the web. The other permit you need is from Oregon Department of Environmental Quality; it costs $25 and you have to apply for it by mail.

The DSL Permit is called a "G-A", and you can apply for it here: Oregon Dept. of State Lands

  
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Re: South Umpqua Access Guide! ( 22:23:07 SunApr 1 2012 )

And just to cover all the bases here's the free (if processing less than 1500 cu. yards of material)highbanking permit:
http://www.deq.state.or.us/wq/wqpermit/docs/general/wpcf600/application1.pdf

  
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Re: South Umpqua Access Guide! ( 14:44:35 MonApr 2 2012 )

Hey LipCa,
Thanks for the correction. I usually Google for answers, but in this case I thought I had read 30 buckets in a cubic yard on the DSL Website. Now, after searching for a while; I cannot find it anywhere. Old age catching up?
So, now I've Googled for an answer and some say a little under to a little over the 40 buckets you've stated.
Thanks again for the answer. I stand corrected.

  
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Re: South Umpqua Access Guide! ( 02:19:08 FriApr 6 2012 )

I got the free dsl permit a couple hours after i filled out the application. Its nice oregon dosent mine the miner on the permits costs.

  
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Re: South Umpqua Access Guide! ( 22:38:23 ThuJun 7 2012 )

Does anyone know of any good dry campgrounds in the area of these prospecting sites? thanks.

  
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Re: South Umpqua Access Guide! ( 16:16:12 FriJun 8 2012 )


SU-12 has dry camping.
I'm not in the area at the moment, so I cannot give you more than a phone number for City of Myrtle Creek 541-863-3171.
SU-12 is City of Myrtle Creek Lands. When you arrive you'll see a posted sign to contact City Hall for a permit to stay right there at rivers edge for I believe up to two weeks.
I did not camp there and do not know if there is a charge.

A site to visit: http://www.fs.usda.gov/main/umpqua/maps-pubs - scroll down to find the Tiller Ranger District Recreation Guide. They list a bunch of primitive sites for camping. The guide may be what you are looking for.

  
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Re: South Umpqua Access Guide! ( 20:01:38 FriJun 8 2012 )

Thanks...I will check that out ASAP.

  
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Re: South Umpqua Access Guide! ( 20:55:14 FriJun 8 2012 )

I think I should have said tent camping instead of dry camping. Still trying to find a place to stay for a week or more.

Still checking out that site you gave. If anyone has experience in the area I would appreciate hearing from you.

  
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Re: South Umpqua Access Guide! ( 18:21:47 MonJun 11 2012 )

Yes SU-12 or Dole Rd. has a small fee of I think 3 dollars per day. There is some interesting folks down there in the Summer so keep your stuff locked up while in the river.

  
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Re: South Umpqua Access Guide! ( 07:15:12 WedJun 13 2012 )

Yes, be sure to keep an eagle-eye on your stuff. There has been one dredge stolen this year already in Myrtle Creek -- See my post in this category.

For those of you who do not live in Oregon, I will give you some background on the present law enforcement situation:

Many counties have lost a large part of their County law enforcement structure due to loss of the Federal Timber Subsidy payments and failure to pass local property tax levies; Josephine County (Grants Pass/ Selma/ Kerby/ Cave Junction areas) lost 80% of our County Sheriffs as of June 1st. Some people in Grants Pass are now "open carrying", but when you get into the County areas, as high as 75% of people are packing due to the fact that we are having to rely mostly on a very few Oregon State Police who are stretched exceedingly thin now -- this county has less than 10 Sheriffs Deputies, and they are concentrated in the Grants Pass & Cave Junction areas. There are none in Selma or Kerby, nor the Applegate area. Misdemeanors are not a priority at all, and many felonies are simply receiving citations/ appearance tickets and being released due to the loss of 220 jail beds (again, due to lack of funding). Response times for an emergency can be as high as 40 minutes, with non-emergency response times stretching to as much as 4 hours.

Douglas County (Canyonville/ Days Creek/ Myrtle Creek/ Tri-City/ Tiller/ Roseburg areas) is not in quite as bad shape, but they have also been seriously impacted by loss of the Federal Timber Subsidy as well; response time at Days Creek is as much as an hour.

So a good piece of advice would be that if you are able to own a gun, bring it with you; it is 100% legal to open-carry here in Oregon (a Constitutional Right, actually, with some restrictions left up to individual cities). Make sure to check that the city you are in does not have a ban, though, because individual cities here do have the right to ban open carry; there are only a few, though, and they are mostly up north -- but check with opencarry.org to get a complete list.

This information is based on actual experience here in Josephine County. I am working Security for a restaurant here in Selma, and have routine interaction with JoCo Sheriff's and OSP. In fact, the situation here in JoCo is beginning to border on the rediculous -- felons who are caught are issued citations & released only to fail to appear in court; then when they are caught again, they are issued another citation and released again only to fail to appear in court again!

John E. Carter
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Selma, Oregon

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Re: South Umpqua Access Guide! ( 12:29:32 WedJun 13 2012 )

J E Smith,

You couldn't help notice how much Oregon relied on that Federal Timber Subsidy and how it has affected the rural areas so dramatically when this subsidy ran out of funds. All you have to do is google Federal Timber Subsidy and you see there is a raging debate on how our forests are cared for and the sharp decrease of harvesting timber that was the result court battles and federal legislation.

Now, the lawyers that represent the environmentalists that won the court cases that eliminated most logging in the western US, are hired by what organizations and who pays them to endlessly be in court fighting legitimate businesses? Are the environmental lawyers paid indirectly by the tax payers? Are these same lawyers making a good living that has job security because of the unlimited amount of funds to represent the environmental people to take away our dredging rights in California? Maybe taking away these tax payer funds will equal or make the arguments in the courts more fair? Does anybody know the answers?

  
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Re: South Umpqua Access Guide! ( 02:27:42 ThuJun 14 2012 )

scooters --

Unfortunately, these lawyers & their associated environmental organizations are making a very good living out of their legal wins. Once they are able to win, the way the system works, they can then demand legal fees -- which, of course, are drastically inflated when itemized to the Court.

In the case of Josephine County, much of the current problem can also be laid at the feet of the Josephine County Commissioners; they knew for 8 years that the Timber Subsidy would end, yet they kept shuffling normal tax revenue to their favorite pet project and making the justice system reliant upon Timber Subsidy money. Then, right before the Subsidy ran out, they put a Justice Levy on the ballot rather than cut any of their pet programs to gain money to replace the Subsidy. This is fiscal mismanagement in the worse sense, and I expect many of the County Commissioners to be voted out next election.

Unfortunately, that does not do a bit of good in the present tense; the citizens of Josephine County are rallying around Sheriff Gilbertson and trying to reorganize the volunteer program. Many others are reorganizing and strengthening the "Neighborhood Watch" programs to include armed patrols. We have also organized facebook pages for reporting stolen property and getting the word out to other JoCo residents.

We are not sitting still -- but the reality is that, without the proper funding and authority, there is only so much that we are going to be able to do.

John

  

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