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Attack to Oregon Mining ( 18:30:07 FriDec 7 2012 )

Here we go again. Not much time to contact Senators to vent your responce:

Here's a direct link to the GaliceMiningDistrict article with contact info at the bottom:

http://www.galicemining.com/mining-news/New-War-On-Mining-In-Oregon.html

  
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Re: Attack to Oregon Mining ( 19:19:30 FriDec 7 2012 )

From the Galice statement.....


"Basically, all this draft is, is a continuation of what has been taking place in California," Jackson noted. "If we can't stop it in Oregon, it will spread into other states. As we did with Atkinson's legislation, what we need is for miners everywhere to pull together and give the anti-mining, anti-property crowd another beating to remember".


The sooner we can stomp out Senator Atkinsonism, the better for everyone. He's in public office advocating dirty tricks against real people. His light needs to be dimmed considerably.




  
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Re: Attack to Oregon Mining ( 00:30:48 SatDec 8 2012 )

Obviously we are well onto the "slippery slope" or perhaps it would be more accurate to refer to it as the "death spiral"! Unless we can post some truly significant wins on the national level, we have nothing to look forward to other than escalating attacks, and further erosion of our rights under law!!!

Not trying to sound a sour note nor be unrealistically pesamistic, but I truly believe that if we don't post some very impressive victories, and that very soon, we may be too far behind the curve to have any chance of coming back into the mainstream of our country's conscience, and all to the greater loss to our country as a whole. Sadly, the average person is soooooo far removed from mining, and how it is a vital part of their very existence, every minute of the day, that I'm afraid the "Green Gestapo" has already won the hearts and minds of the sadly stupid masses!

Yes, I know, all I'm doing here is preaching to the chior and :beatingadeadhorse:

  
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Re: Attack to Oregon Mining ( 03:06:49 SatDec 8 2012 )

Our lines are being probed by the wacos. Yes we need a big victory on a national level, but we are being set up to be attacked in Oregon RIGHT NOW! We need to go to the point of attack and let the Oregon senate know that it won't be easy. We need numbers. We need the support of our California brothers as well as support from around the country. Please follow the sugestions of the Galice Mining District and contact the senators they have listed right away. Thank you.

  
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Re: Attack to Oregon Mining ( 03:56:16 SatDec 8 2012 )

I really hate this guy:

"Atkinson publicly declared a war on miners, particularly members of the New 49ers, with whom he seemed to have a particular axe to grind."

  
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Re: Attack to Oregon Mining ( 05:08:11 SatDec 8 2012 )

Here is a copy of my email that I just sent regarding LC 2125

"Having read LC 2125 I am deeply concerned that this will impact the State of Oregon very negatively in financial ways, in these hard fiscal times people and businesses are struggling and are just scraping by with the extra income that is generated by mining activity's. But the most disturbing is that it dismisses much the 1872 Federal Mining Act and the rights of miners that it is meant to uphold. I am further concerned that the State of Oregon will be overstepping its lawful authority on Mineral Estate Grantees by making LC 2125 law by making legal ownership of mining claims worthless through the crushing regulations on how a lawful owner can use his own property this would have wide spreading implications that would reach far beyond prospecting, affecting almost every Oregon resident and all property owners in the state in a very negative way.

I ask that you will not support LC 2125

And that you will support the rights as Granted in the 1872 Federal Mining Act as passed by congress"

You can send your own emails to all that are involved on this to these addresses

Senator Jackie Dingfelder
D-Portland
District 23
Phone: 503-986-1723
E-mail: sen.jackiedingfelder@state.or.us


Senator Alan Olsen
R-Canby
District 20
Phone: 503-986-1720
E-mail: sen.alanolsen@state.or.us


Senator Mark Hass
D-District 14
Phone: 503-986-1714
E-mail: sen.markhass@state.or.us


Senator Floyd Prozanski
D-South Lane and North Douglas Counties
District 4
Phone: 541-342-2447
E-mail: sen.floydprozanski@state.or.us


Senator Chuck Thomsen
R-Hood River
District 26
Phone: 503-986-1726
E-mail: sen.chuckthomsen@state.or.us

  
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Re: Attack to Oregon Mining ( 17:38:13 SatDec 8 2012 )

"Legislatures are horrible and dangerous things that bring out the absolute worst in the people who inhabit them."
Ė Doug Casey on Corruption,
Chapter 10, Totally Incorrect



Times like now are tough to live in especially when we at the basic level of society understand full well the meaning of "man cannot govern man".






  
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Re: Attack to Oregon Mining ( 19:59:45 SatDec 8 2012 )

"in my opinion" I think it was sen. Mark Hass and I think he was paid a large sum of money by the environmentalist. no one just introduces something like this on thier own. can I demand an audit or ethics probe?

this is an paste from last years SB 765 ie.same wording...
SECTION 6. ORS 390.835 is amended to read:
390.835. (1) It is declared that the highest and best uses of the waters within scenic waterways are recreation, fish and wildlife uses. The free-flowing character of these waters shall be maintained in quantities necessary for recreation, fish and wildlife uses. No dam, or reservoir, or other water impoundment facility shall be constructed on waters within scenic waterways. No water diversion facility shall be constructed or used except
by right previously established or as permitted by the Water Resources Commission, upon a finding that such diversion is necessary to uses designated in ORS 536.310 (12), and in a manner consistent with the policies set forth under ORS 390.805 to 390.925. The Water Resources Commission shall administer and enforce the provisions of this subsection.
[2 edits; Last edit by winners58 at 20:32:19 Sat Dec 8 2012]

  
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Re: Attack to Oregon Mining ( 02:00:59 SunDec 9 2012 )

I have asked our attorney to provide us an analysis of this bill. The reason is that it appears to mostly confirm regulatory language already in place concerning mining activity in Oregon.

Oregon's regulatory scheme is hard to follow in the first place. There are all these cross references to all these different code sections that refer to all these different overlapping classifications. A bunch of us devoted months last winter trying to figure it out, and we finally gave up. When we asked Oregon State Lands and Department of Environmental Quality for interpretations, they also could not figure it out!

Because it seems to confirm other code sections which allow motorized mining, this proposed bill may not be what the summary language seems to suggest; a complete ban on motorized mining. I am going to hold off on pushing for action until we have a better understanding of what this proposed bill changes, if anything.

I'll publish the analysis as soon as I have it.

  
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Re: Attack to Oregon Mining ( 03:54:34 SunDec 9 2012 )

Thanks Dave for looking into this pending legislation....I hope you are right about the proposed legislation concept 2125 just confirming current regulatory language that is already in place. I fear that they will find a way to skirt around or twist the language in LC 2125 to allow other crap bills to be attached to it and open many other doors for stopping suction dredging and motorized prospecting equipment in Oregon waters. Keeping the fingers crossed......:thankyou:

  
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Re: Attack to Oregon Mining ( 05:28:54 SunDec 9 2012 )

follow the money.whos directly supporting attkinsen.hes being bribed. theres a scandle some wear there.

  
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Re: Attack to Oregon Mining ( 23:39:20 SunDec 9 2012 )

I did get an email back from Dylan Gray who is the Chief of Staff for Senator Alan Olsen here is a copy of it:


Hi Garry,



This bill will likely pass committee simply because the Chair of the Senate Environment Committee wants it to pass. Senator Olsen will do what he can to impede the passage of unnecessary DEQ regulations, but unfortunately the Chair of the Committee has all of the power. The best chance of this bill failing is when it is considered for a vote of the Senate.

Dylan Gray, Chief of Staff

Senator Alan Olsen

Senate District 20

Office: 503.986.1720

900 Court St. NE, Salem OR 97301

sen.AlanOlsen@state.or.us
[1 edits; Last edit by YellowFever at 23:40:28 Sun Dec 9 2012]

  
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Re: Attack to Oregon Mining ( 02:22:08 MonDec 10 2012 )

This frightens us- Oregon seems to be going the way of California and the environmentalists are trying to get us off allpublic land period. California has consistantly shown us that they don't want the public on public lands, whether it be hunting, fishing, off road, or mining. While we haven't had theopportunity to dredge (we just got into prospecting about a year and a half ago and we live in Cali so can't dredge) we would like the ability to do so. I don't know where all the legislation is going, but it really doesn't look good for those of us who prospect.

  
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Re: Attack to Oregon Mining ( 02:32:59 MonDec 10 2012 )

The reply I got back from Senator Olsen's Chief of Staff reads almost the same. At least we know that the letters we sent were being read........but it looks like someone is quite determined to push LC 2125 to become law.


Hi Richard,

Thank you for your e-mail. Senator Olsen will see this bill when it comes to the Senate Environment Committee. He will do what he can to impede the passage of unnecessary DEQ regulations. The Chair of the committee unfortunately has all the power so the bill will likely pass committee and perhaps meet a similar fate as SB 765 when it is considered for a vote of the Senate.



Dylan Gray, Chief of Staff

Senator Alan Olsen

Senate District 20

Office: 503.986.1720

Cell: 541.380.1651

900 Court St. NE, Salem OR 97301

sen.AlanOlsen@state.or.us

  
winners58
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Re: Attack to Oregon Mining ( 22:41:47 TueDec 11 2012 )

I listened to the archived meeting sounds like they didnít get to it or had workgroup after they adjourned sounds like several representatives just didn't show up including Senator Floyd Prozanski, still need to keep the pressure up.
One letter that was sent on our behalf from a miner from Hells Canyon Idaho was really good, and itís ok'd to pass on. I didnít want to post the whole thing here I hope link is ok for the forum rules?
*link to pdf on my server*
http://67.189.25.76/gold/Art%20letter%20to%20Ted%20Ferrioli.pdf
[1 edits; Last edit by winners58 at 22:45:26 Tue Dec 11 2012]

  
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Re: Attack to Oregon Mining ( 12:01:59 FriDec 14 2012 )

Just so you guys know, according to our attorney, the exemptions in the existing language allow for suction dredging to continue under the existing permit structure in Oregon.

Don't get me wrong. We need to fight the proposed legislation. We are still working on a written analysis to support political action.

But I would not change my summer dredging plans based upon the language in the existing proposed bill. Please spread the word, since there is a lot of mistaken information going around.

  
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Re: Attack to Oregon Mining ( 14:39:48 FriDec 14 2012 )

Thanks Dave. We are already planning next year. I want to see what the last series of storms did to the river, it might have moved some overburden in a spot we found last year

ratled

  
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Re: Attack to Oregon Mining ( 11:48:13 WedDec 19 2012 )

I hope you are not looking at the place where I plan to dredge!

  
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Re: Attack to Oregon Mining ( 16:14:01 FriDec 21 2012 )

Hi Dave and New 49ers,

I'm a new member, I've send a deposit on a membership that I will pay in full as soon as a cash settlement comes through in Feb. My wish is to equip for a summer of prospecting that includes working the Klamath claims and then going to Oregon for the Suction Dredge season. Before I sink a lot of money into equipment and then travel from Florida a few things have to line up for me but that's the intent.

I would be most grateful to get some guidance from experienced miners as to where and when to get started if they would welcome a newbie working nearby. I'm sick of where the government is taking us (right down the crapper) and plan to include seeking a farm in the PNW to move to in the trip out this summer.

Perhaps a 4" Keene dredge set up would be good for a beginner working solo, small Zodiac to get up and down river, some form of high banker for the places you can't dredge, and all the usual support equipment.

Liberty or Death,
Chris

  
ratled
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Re: Attack to Oregon Mining ( 16:51:44 FriDec 21 2012 )

Chris I would make this it's own thread as it is different from the thread here. You'll get better responses that way

ratled

  
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Re: Attack to Oregon Mining ( 18:15:48 FriDec 21 2012 )

Quote: Dave_Mack at 11:48:13 Wed Dec 19 2012

I hope you are not looking at the place where I plan to dredge!
Could be,Dave. Where, exactly, are you planning to dredge?:devil:

  
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Re: Attack to Oregon Mining ( 09:39:45 SatDec 22 2012 )

On a more serious note, here is James Buchal's legal analysis of LC 2125. James says, as the proposed bill is presently written, it will not affect the suction dredge activities which are already being allowed in Oregon. But James also points out that we need to be concerned that the existing language could easily be changed on its way through the legislative process.

James points out numerous reasons why the proposed bill should be opposed altogether. I have been in contact with all or most of the industry leaders inside and outside of Oregon, and I believe there is unanimous consent that we should do everything in our power to defeat the bill. It looks like the Oregon mining associations will take the lead on this.

Since the Oregon legislature goes back in session in February, you can expect to hear more about defeating LC 2125 in the weeks and months to come. Internet communications within the industry are so saturated these days that you can expect to see overlapping Action Alerts when the time is right.

  
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Re: Attack to Oregon Mining ( 18:01:02 SatDec 22 2012 )

517.123 Legislative findings. The Legislative Assembly finds that prospecting,
small scale mining and recreational mining:
(1) Are important parts of the heritage of the State of Oregon;
(2) Provide economic benefits to the state and local communities; and
(3) Can be conducted in a manner that is not harmful and may be
beneficial to fish habitat and fish propagation. [1999 c.354 ß2]
Sincerely,
James L. Buchal

************************************

Atkinsonism is attempting to reverse previous and clear reasoning. He's a joker mascarading as a politician.

Oregon needs to throw the guy out. Californians will help.


  
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Re: Attack to Oregon Mining ( 18:21:24 SunDec 23 2012 )

Let's see........ you guys don't want him back and we don't want him in Oregon, maybe his best fit would not be in America at all! If he were to head to the west he could give North Korea or Russia a try. hint, hint.:doublethumbsup:

  

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