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dfer
20:51:13 Thu
Aug 16 2007
i think my pup is deaf.
hi all, i have just bought a white pup and i think it may be deaf. Now this doesnt bother me at all , what i am concerned about is how the dog will react around children.
does any one know anything about this?
she is the most beutiful little thing and it would break my heart to take it back to the breader. I have read that a deaf dog reads body language and can take fast movements and jumping around as a sign of aggression, and believe me my kids move fast and jump all over the place... please some body tell me im wrong... pleeeeese:crying:

dominic1
21:18:42 Thu
Aug 16 2007
Re: i think my pup is deaf.
Paul also known as Gingerboy is the best person on here for giving advice on Training etc for Deaf pups..I'm sure he will be along soon.What makes you think your pup is Deaf and how old is it

From my own personal experience.We just got on with a normal everyday sort of life..As long as the pup is well socialised and is used to kids.There shouldnt really be a problem.. How old are your children.
We had children of all ages from new born upto 10yrs with Bruiser.
As he got bigger we would try to wake him before the kids began running around,just so he knew what was happening. As for aggressive behaviour I havent had a problem. All dogs read body language and as long as you are not threatening them they are fine.we have family BBQs with lots of kids on trampolines and running around and bruiser loves it.

dfer
21:39:21 Thu
Aug 16 2007
Re: i think my pup is deaf.
dfor ( as in D for dog) is 15 weeks old and my children are as follows
one due in november, twin girls at 16 months, one boy at 2 1/2 years and one boy age 9.
:crying:

dominic1
21:53:14 Thu
Aug 16 2007
Re: i think my pup is deaf.
Dont panic as i said Paul will be along and he has young children and a deaf dog.
What a house full.At least i can send my lot home to their parents..
The only thing is will you have the time to train a deaf puppy.It is a lot of hard work but worth it.You have to be consistant in everything you do.I found bruiser picked his hand signals up pretty quickly,but it was my son in law who did and still does all the training with him.
Have you had Boxers before.If you have at least you know what to expect from them.

Are you sure he is completely Deaf.

dfer
22:00:26 Thu
Aug 16 2007
Re: i think my pup is deaf.
well as sure as i can be.. it is our first boxer and HER first day with us.. she was curled up asleep on her blanket in the kitchen wich has a stone floor, i picked up her stainless steel feeding bowl from the floor to clean it and accidentaly dropped it. you can imagine the clatter, she didnt even flinch. this shocked me so i made more sharp loud noises i even clapped my hands just above her head, again not a flinch. i knew she was alive and asleep as she was snoring lol but when i put my hand on her she awoke and was happy, then went straight back to sleep. could she just be exhausted from a strssfull day???

dominic1
22:05:05 Thu
Aug 16 2007
Re: i think my pup is deaf.
If i dropped something on a tiled floor or wooden floor then Bruiser would feel the vibrations if he was awake.If they are asleep then nothing disturbs them.

First day and he is 15 weeks.Didnt the breeder mention him being Deaf as i am sure they should have noticed.It is hard when they are still with the litter,but at his age he should have been to the Vets at least once.If you dont mind me asking where did you get him from and at what cost.

nickys_boxers
22:14:57 Thu
Aug 16 2007
Re: i think my pup is deaf.
If you are pretty sure she is deaf take her to the vet and ask for a BAER test, it is the only 100% reliable method for determining that a dog is deaf.

I dont see why a deaf dog cannot lead a perfectly normal life around kids, they respond well to training (with hand signals)

Sheila Dawson (white boxer rescue) specialises in deaf dogs so if it turns out she is deaf im sure she will be more than willing to offer you advice.

Caspers_mum
22:17:55 Thu
Aug 16 2007
Re: i think my pup is deaf.
Have you tried jingling keys behind her (while she's awake) to see if she reacts?

dfer
22:18:50 Thu
Aug 16 2007
Re: i think my pup is deaf.
the breeder died two months ago and his wife is selling all stock she dosnt know an awfull lot about the dogs i asked about the dogs hearing and she said she hadnt noticed any probs i have seen and have copies of the registrations for both mum and dad and also have the family tree on both sides going back 8 generations, all are registered irish or british kennel club dogs. a proven blood line.
like i said she was selling all stock and the cost for each dog was 75 pounds this was the last pup and was the only white in the litter. mum and dad are still for sale at the same price dad is 2 years old and mum was 18 months when she had her litter. she said that the breeder used to show daddy dog and that he was blue blood whatever that means. this was the first litter for mum. as far as vets are concerned they were all given a clean bill of health, i am tking her to the vet to be checked over tomorrow morning if i can find one open if not monday.

SashasMum
23:13:16 Thu
Aug 16 2007
Re: i think my pup is deaf.
If you have any questions, the best person to speak to is Sheila at White Boxer rescue. Click on home at the top of this page and go to the rescue centres.

She has a wealth of experience, I think Carol has spoken to her in the past too :luck:

Katiesnowflake
23:19:03 Thu
Aug 16 2007
Re: i think my pup is deaf.
Sometimes it takes puppies a little while to settle. We have two white Boxers [and one red] and for the first few weeks our little girl espeically made us think that her hearing was not what it should be. Our little boy was the same but he brightened up quicker. It is a lot for them to take in. Coming away from all their own dog family and into a family home. I noticed you said about Irish and British kennel club dogs, are you from Nth Ireland by any chance? I only ask as I am myself. Before you make any decisions I would get your
vet to check her over first. As has been said before Paul has a deaf white Boxer and young children and he has marvellous advice.

Helen

gingerboy
01:11:46 Fri
Aug 17 2007
Re: i think my pup is deaf.
Hi Their

First off don't panic and don't worry.

As others have already said their is no reason to panic, your new arrival can and will lead a fairly normal life.

As Karen has said give Sheila a shout but I am more than happy to help or give advice wherever possible. I have two boxers, Molly a brindle and Tasha an all white who is as deaf as a post.

This is Tash:-



You can perform various "DIY" tests at home but if I am honest Nicky has hit the nail on the head, the only sure way to be 100% sure is to get a BAER test through your vet.

In terms of how a deaf boxer is around young children is determined by how they are cared for, brought up, trained and most importantly treated by children and adults.

I have 3 children, a 1 year old, 2 year old and 4 year old.

Their are no secrets to ensuring a happy and safe home for your children when around your new puppy, infact most of it is common sense.

Dogs are no different to humans, they thrive when learning, problem solving, exercised, on mental and physical stimulation, knowing their boundaries, Love, human company, a well balanced diet, clean water and mutual respect.

The above are common sense and I don't doubt for one minute that you will strive to give all of the above plus more to your new addition.

Hopefully you can see a vet soon and at least then you will know for sure either way. If the vet does confirm that Defr is deaf then I would recommend the following.

1. Try to find a local dog training class, prefferably one with experience of training deaf dogs, try the kennel club website for their nearest classes. Or ask your vet if they know of any.

2. Be consistant in everything you do

3. be patient and try not to take things personally, do not use physical punishment i.e. smacking etc, Defr will only fear you and more often than not will have no idea why you are slapping him if he misbehaves.

4. You need to teach your kids to give Defr space when he is tired or wants to chill out, I know myself that it is easier said than done with very young children about the house. The novelty will wear off though after a few days / a week................ hopefully.

5. DO NOT encourage rough play or let the kids get Defr over excited i.e. juming on and off furniture etc etc. Remember, it may seem funny now but it's no laughing matter when a fully grown boxer weighing in at 6 stone is doing it and wrecking your furniture / house and potentially injuring one of the kids because they are over excited.

6. buy a dog sign language book or download the information off the net and practice the signs everyday and when Defr does well / responds, reward him with a treat - this will re-enforce that when he sits after you have given the appropriate sign he gets a reward etc etc.

7. Provide a nice warm bed in a place in the house that is NOT drafty / near a door etc.

8. ensure water is available at all times, feed the best quality food you can afford, usually twice a day once mature. That said every dog is different, mine have their food available all day long and graze whenever they feel the need, neither has a weight problem........ some dogs however would eat a full bag of food if given the chance so it all depends on what Defr is like.

9. Get Defr used to people handling his food, food dish and him when he is eating - this will ensure you do not end up with a "food agressive dog" the best technique is to put a bowl of biscuits dowm for him, make him sit and pick some biscuits up, pretend to eat them and then give him some from your hand. Now let him start eating from the dish, put your hand in hilst gently stoking his side. Do this gradually over a period of time. Once you are confident that he is not bothered about you touching his food / him get one of your elder children to do the same, again gradually. IF AT ANY TIME HE GROWLS OR SHOWS AGRESSION TAKE HIS FOOD AWAY FROM HIM and try again 5 minutes later, he will soon get the message that aggression results in food being taken away.

10. Exercise - DO NOT over exercise Defr, the rule of thumb is that a young puppy should be exercised "on-lead" for a maximum of 5minutes for every month of their life. So for instance if you take Defr for a walk on the lead now, it should be no longer than approx 15 minutes, when he is 20-22 weeks old = 20 minutes, 6 months old = 30 minutes ..................... off lead is far better for him as he can set his own pace, which as a puppy will involve some mad dashes, stopping for a sniff of new smells, walking, another mad dash, a lie down etc etc.

Over exercise can result in muscualr and skeletal damage which in later life cam lead to problems in a dogs joints and ability to enjoy life to the full.

I must go to bed now but will dig out some old posts tomorrow for you about training deaf dogs / boxers which hopefully will be of some help.

Apologies if I have covered anything you already knew, please don't be offended I just want to provide the best advice I can.

Let me know specifically what is of most interest to you and I will do my best to help out. Welcome to the whitestuff, their are loads of very friendly and helpful people here who will go the extra mile to help out.

Just to give you some reasurance of how good boxers are with kids heres some photographic evidence, this picture is of Molly with Cariad who at the time was about 18 months old. The picture says it all really, boxers + kids = a great combination :smile:



With kind regards

Paul













gingerboy
15:13:33 Fri
Aug 17 2007
Re: i think my pup is deaf.
Hi, it's me again.........

Here are some links to posts regarding training etc, hopefully of some use but if not just ask and I will try my best for you.

http://bb.bbboy.net/thewhitestuff-viewthread?forum=1&thread=345&postnum=21&highlight=deaf%20boxer

and another with a bit of info

http://bb.bbboy.net/thewhitestuff-viewthread?forum=1&thread=379&postnum=4&highlight=deaf%20boxer

and another but may be a duplication?

http://bb.bbboy.net/thewhitestuff-viewthread?forum=2&thread=38&postnum=14&highlight=deaf%20boxer

not quite as relevant but you never know

http://bb.bbboy.net/thewhitestuff-viewthread?forum=2&thread=87&postnum=5&highlight=deaf%20boxer

Let me know if they are any good or if you need anymore advice.

Kind regards

Paul



dfer
19:31:54 Fri
Aug 17 2007
Re: i think my pup is deaf.
thanks for all your help. i contacted a local vet today and advised me away from having a baer test he says they are very stressful for the dog and to do simple tests at home over the next few weeks involving speaky toys and bells... i am confused but she is so beutiful i just dont care.. she is sat on the floor next to me now just staring........how do i post the picture i just took?

SashasMum
19:51:47 Fri
Aug 17 2007
Re: i think my pup is deaf.
If you pop to the art gallery there is a help post on there (sorry can't do link thing as on a strange computer!!)

Best to create a free photobucket account first as that is the best way to show off your photos without uploading large images tothe site

Good luck with the hearing tests - biscuits and crisps packets are often the best place to start:mischief:

kymie
20:01:07 Fri
Aug 17 2007
Re: i think my pup is deaf.
:luck:Hi having read what you have written I have a two year old and am new to the site I was given shelias number and trust me its was the best thing I ever did ringing her has made me aware how clever our dog is and to stop looking as it as a bad thing Mascie(ie the muppet) is on a training plan she has now picked up signing it is so easy to do i I think it is hard but worth putting the effort in she has just been waiting for us to stop worrying and get on with it its as if she is saying thank christ they got there I am sure she gives us a look as if it was us with the problem all along... There is hope trust me and its so easy to unpack the shopping clean up and then wake her up to say hi!!! trust me with my kids shouting and carrying on i wish I was deaf to:headbangers: I can only say mascie is one of the best things that has happened to our family but I was the same as you but put the effort in and all i can say is she is worth it. hope that helps good luck and its not as bad as some people say:flowerkiss:

dfer
20:01:49 Fri
Aug 17 2007
Re: i think my pup is deaf.
here is a picture of my little lady

errrm maybe not hold on ill give it another go


dfer
20:13:33 Fri
Aug 17 2007
Re: i think my pup is deaf.
heres my litlle lady





dfer
20:16:12 Fri
Aug 17 2007
Re: i think my pup is deaf.
heres another




dfer
20:17:43 Fri
Aug 17 2007
Re: i think my pup is deaf.
the last one



seasidecarl
20:33:14 Fri
Aug 17 2007
Re: i think my pup is deaf.
hi there, Im carl, and im on my second white deaf boxer, this one, ziggy the second, has been learning sign language for 4 weeks now, and he seems to be picking it up quite well, i hope you are coping okay, and i look forward to seeing more pics, i hope that you found all the info reassuring, and dont worry we are all here to help where we can. mine was eating raw slugs last week, but with help from people on here he now has them fried in garlic butter............:muhaha: nah, kidding

kymie
20:55:43 Fri
Aug 17 2007
Re: i think my pup is deaf.
I still cant figure outhow the hell u put pictures on how thick am I how cute is her nose she looks so cute

dominic1
21:40:22 Fri
Aug 17 2007
Re: i think my pup is deaf.
She is gorgeous.:love:

gingerboy
22:10:58 Fri
Aug 17 2007
Re: i think my pup is deaf.
she is very, very cute..................

All i will say is that whilst training a deaf dog can be hard at times they repay your love, patience and devotion 10 times over and the bond between you will be very strong indeed.

Best of luck with everything and as already echoed by everybody else we are here to help so don't be afraid to ask. Kymie and Carl are obviously making great progress with signing, it is hard work but really worth it, the funny thing is you still talk to them even though they are deaf :smile:

Hope all goes well and look forward to more pic's

Regards

Paul

dfer
22:42:10 Fri
Aug 17 2007
Re: i think my pup is deaf.
thank you all you have all been gr8 i have already learned so much.... i look forward to speeaking with you all soon... i will keep you informed of our progress.. again thanks.

Katiesnowflake
01:38:52 Sun
Aug 19 2007
Re: i think my pup is deaf.
Your puppy is gorgeous!

Helen

SashasMum
18:22:30 Sun
Aug 19 2007
Re: i think my pup is deaf.
Aww so gorgeous!! :love:

Good luck with the signing - I stand in awe of anyone with a deaf boxer. I know the trouble I had training my two!!

:cheering:



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