Busta is poorly
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BoxerMad
10:02:05 Fri
May 20 2011
Busta is poorly
We had to take Busta to the vets on Monday - Over the weekend i noticed a lump under his neck and then he started limping also.

The vet thought that the lump was probably a swollen lymph gland due to an infection and the limping was inflammation of one of his joints. He often gets a bit stiff after he has been for a long run, but once he sleeps it off is fine again so we were never too concerned before.

He was given antibiotics and an anti inflammatory injection and then further antibioics to continue at home. He seemed to go through stages, seeming a bit better and then a bit worse again.

We had to take him back yesterday, and by then he was limping worse, but due to a different leg. The lump under his neck had gone right down.

We are still not sure what the problem is, he has been given another type of antibioic used for bone problems and more rimadyl. Since leaving the vets yesterday, the swelling has now moved to another leg. His back leg is now fine, one front leg is really swollen and the other one is less swollen but still a bit painful.

He is still eating his food, but we have to take it to him along with water as he wont make any effort to go get it himself.

I feel so bad for him as he just looks so uncomfortable and miserable.

Our vet is hoping that the antibioics and anti inflammatories will start to clear up the problem, however if there is no change or he gets worse, then they will have to start blood tests / x-rays etc next week.

Time for another call to our insurance company for a claim form i think! They must really hate us!!!

SashasMum
10:22:35 Fri
May 20 2011
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Oh no, poor Busta! What a nightmare for you, hope it's nothing horrible Caroline. I always worry more if they are off their food, like kids, that's when you know they aren't faking it!

What antibiotics is he on, has he been on that one before? Tizzy can't take one of them because it upsets her tummy a lot and rimadyl can make them very sleepy and lethargic too sometimes xx


HARIBOH
17:57:47 Fri
May 20 2011
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Oh get well soon Busta....

It seems to be never ending with our dogs just now...fingers crossed he starts to perk up once the meds are in his system.

Shona x

jilldemo
18:55:30 Fri
May 20 2011
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Wishing Busta all the best. He deserves it, along with the good life he has found with your family.

BoxerMad
07:37:12 Sat
May 21 2011
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Thank you - Busta seems much happier this morning.

We had to take him back to the vets again yesterday afternoon, he was seeming to get worse. Not responding to anything and had started going off his food. He was also finding it really difficult to walk even just a few steps. He wouldn't even lift his head when we called his name. He was given another two injections and the vet took some blood, we have to go back today, hopefully he will have some of the results by then.

Last night Brendan and i had a small barbeque, just the two of us and i think Busta felt as though he was missing out by being indoors. I helped him off the settee and he came for a wander outside. He then went back in, ate his whole bowl of food that he had turned his nose up at earlier and then came back out the garden with us - from that point on he just seemed to improve more and more. By the time i went to bed, he was giving kisses, wagging his tail and even trying to bark (he seems to have lost his voice - poor thing)

This morning he still needed Brendan to carry him down the stairs, but he is walking a bit easier and seems so much happier.

We are back at the vets at midday - so hopefully find out a bit more then.

Polo123
11:11:55 Sat
May 21 2011
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Aw, poor Busta, it's awful to see them suffering, especially as they can't tell us what's wrong :crying: hope he's soon feeling much better :love:

Katiesnowflake
00:08:54 Sun
May 22 2011
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Any news Caroline? Katie had a bad week too :sad:

Hugs from us xx

BoxerMad
07:37:43 Sun
May 22 2011
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Hi Helen, I'm sorry to hear Katie has had a bad week. It really doesn't seem to be a good time for any of us at the moment. I hope Katie is okay?

Took Busta back to the vets yesterday and his blood results were back. His kidneys seem fine, however a lot of the results linked to liver issues were quite high. Our vet explained that although this could mean a problem with his liver, it is more likely that it is due to an infection or a severe allergic reaction so this is what he is being treated for at the moment.

There isn't much real change in Busta himself and he does seem to be going off any type of food now too. I can get him to eat a small amount by actually putting it in his mouth as he will then swallow it, but he won't make any effort himself.

He did perk up on Friday after he was given a corticosteroid injection and ate his normal sized meal. Our vet gave us another injection to give him ourselves this morning which we have just done (they only last 48 hours), so i am hoping that in a few hours he may perk up again as he did on Friday and i may be able to get him interested in some food again.

The swelling on one of his front legs has gone down, but the other one is still quite swollen and he is still plodding around like a little old man (He will only get up when we make him, apart from that he just lies there). It is so horrible to see him in this way.
I have a feeling our vet would have admitted him to the hospital already, but he knows we are not too keen on that as it is where we lost both Tia and Kirei. We only live about a mile away and they are open 24 hours so if he gets any worse we can get him there very quickly.

He is still on a course of antibiotics, this is the second type he has had and he was also given a shot of penicillian yesterday.

He is still drinking plenty (when i take the water to him) and has not had any vomiting or diarrhea at all. It is all very weird.

He has to go back again tomorrow morning - We just want him better. It has been a week now since this all started and we still don't know what the problem is.

Katiesnowflake
00:49:03 Mon
May 23 2011
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What an awful worry for you. He does sound to be uncomfortable somewhere, poor boy. Its such a worry and you feel so helpless not being able to do anything for them.

Does your vet know what could have caused the infection? I suppose he would need to do more tests.
Let us know what happens when you see the vet again. Will send healing thoughts to the boy.

He wouldnt have Spondylosis? Rosie had that and it made her very reluctant to move - its something that some Boxers appear to take

Busta is so special - big hugs from us

I will do an update on Katie on another thread as I dont want to hyjack your thread

sandyc
02:52:39 Mon
May 23 2011
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Keeping Busta in my thoughts and prayers.Sure hope the vet can figure this out!

BoxerMad
19:03:35 Mon
May 23 2011
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Brendan took Busta back to the vets this morning, he had lost another 1kg in weight and his temperature was up. Our vet kept him in to give him some fluids through a drip and took some more blood. He also gave him some stronger pain relief.
I had to go back to work today, so was unable to go with Brendan, but the vet called me around 1pm and said that he was going to have to admit Busta to the veterinary hospital. The antibiotics he has been on are not working and he is not getting any better.
He has a very high white blood cell count which following todays blood test has increased since Saturday, which along with his other symptoms points towards Systemic inflammatory response syndrome where his immune system is basically reacting badly towards an infection and 'has gone a bit crazy' in his words! It is an inflammatory state which affects the whole body.
This evening he was transfered to the veterinary hospital which is actually closer to my house than our own vets surgery and i saw another vet there. I had to go on my own as Brendan had to go off to work himself. The vet pretty much confirmed what our vet had said and they are going to look into each individual problem - he will have x-rays on his shoulders / legs, a closer inspection of his throat (he has been swallowing in a gulping sort of way and seems to have lost his voice), they are going to do some blood cultures to look for any signs of septis and he will be put on a drip of antibioics and fluids overnight. The vet also pointed out a bruise on his elbow, which he said was a cause for concern because it can indicate clotting issues.

Busta really is a very poorly boy right now.

Brendan and I hate any of our dogs going into the hospital as it is where we unfortunately lost both Tia and Kirei, so for us there is always the worry of taking our dogs in and them not coming home again.
Brendan and i were talking about this earlier and agreed that it is just because; to us the hospital is what we use for emergencies, whereas we use the smaller veterinary surgery for routine stuff and smaller problems, so the probability of something going wrong is much higher at the veterinary hospital. Still doesn't make us feel any better though, especially as Busta is so poorly and we still do not know for sure what the problem is.

I am not expecting to hear from the vets again tonight unless there are any problems. They will call me tomorrow once they have done some more tests - hopefully they will be able to tell us a bit more then.

I can't believe the problems we have had so far this year with the dogs - Henry's diagnosis was only a few months ago and now Busta being as sick as he is - We certainly are due just a little bit of good luck soon :luck:

HARIBOH
19:37:25 Mon
May 23 2011
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Poor Busta and poor you.... you must be distraught at the moment...especially not knowing whats wrong with and what you can do to help him.

Stay strong...stay positive ... im sure hes going to be fine ... in fact im positive hes going to be fine

Shona x


Katiesnowflake
21:12:01 Mon
May 23 2011
Re: Busta is poorly
Oh the poor poor baby, horrible for him and for you. I hate leaving them into the vets too although sometimes it is the only way to go

I will be thinking of him and will send some absent healing again this evening across to him.

Hugs to you all xx

Polo123
19:53:27 Tue
May 24 2011
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I really feel for you all, you've really been through it recently :eek: hopefully things start looking up pretty soon :luck:

BoxerMad
20:27:36 Tue
May 24 2011
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Thank you all for your kind comments.
Not much more to report today. I spoke to the vet earlier today and he did say that Busta's temperature had gone down a bit which is a good sign, they are still waiting on a lot of test results which they should have back tomorrow. Today they have done x-rays, taken fluid from his sore joints to be tested, blood cultures and more blood and urine tests.
I am going to go and see him tomorrow after work, just praying that there is some improvement - no matter how small.
We need our boy home!!:love:

Katiesnowflake
22:44:55 Tue
May 24 2011
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Hugs xx

sandyc
15:55:10 Wed
May 25 2011
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Keeping Busta in my thoughts and prayers.

BoxerMad
18:34:14 Wed
May 25 2011
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We went to see Busta today, he still looks so poorly.
We took some food with us, to try to tempt him to eat, but he wasn't interested in anything. I tried rubbing a little on his gums so that he would get the taste, but he just spat out whatever i put in his mouth - it was heartbreaking.

They are still waiting on most of the test results - the x-rays were all okay and shows there is no major erosion of the joints. They have taken fluid from his joints to be tested, expecting the results back this evening for that and still waiting on the blood cultures to check for septis.

One good thing though is that his temperature is back down to normal, so hopefully he is starting to respond to the antibiotics.

They also did a scan today of his organs to check for any abnormalities ,as they are still unable to confirm what the problem is they are looking at all possibilities and there is a chance that the inflammation may be a secondary problem - i haven't heard anything back about this yet and the vet did say he would contact me if there was anything to report so i am hoping that no news is good news!

He thinks the most likely problem is Idiopathic Immune-Mediated Polyarthritis which is similiar to rheumatoid athritis, but non erosive. But until they receive the results back from the fluids from his joints they can't be sure.
I am really hoping for an actual diagnosis soon, at least then they can start to treat the actual problem.
He explained today, that until they know what the problem is, they are limited on the types of medication they can use because some medications could actually work against him.

Our insurance company must be cursing us - we only signed up with them at the end of December and have already claimed the full 4000 for Henry and Busta's bill is already around 2000 due to all the tests that have been carried out - all in 5 months!!! We only pay 42 per month for all three of them - But then that is why we buy insurance to get us through the bad times

I am hoping tomorrow will bring us some more news - our vet is confident that they will know what is wrong once they receive the rest of these results back - they are running out of tests they can do:luck:

Polo123
19:19:28 Wed
May 25 2011
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fingers crossed for some good news :luck:

HARIBOH
20:15:08 Wed
May 25 2011
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I have just read up on Idiopathic Immune-Mediated Polyarthritis, I have heard of humans getting something similar where their immune sytem attacked the joints after them getting a virus and the lady in question recovered fully.

Perhaps because he already had a temperature caused by something else ie a virus this could be very similar.

At the bottom of the report i read was that all dogs recovered well after starting treatment...so im crossing my fingers that this is what is wrong with Busta and it started with a virus and the treatment clears it up quickly once started.

I think its wonderful that you have only just taken out the insurance and are using it to the max.....how much have you spent on insurance like buildings and contents and never needed to claim anything, which reminds me i really need to get it sorted for Marley...Keasha's problems should have taught me the lesson...ALWAYS HAVE PET INSURANCE lol cos hers would have cost me a fortune if i hadnt had it....still would have paid it thought :wink:

Shona x

BoxerMad
20:40:59 Wed
May 25 2011
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Thanks Shona

My sister was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis just a few months ago and looking back on all the symptoms she has had, they are very similar to Busta's. The Rheumatoid arthiritis has already been ruled out with him as there is no visible damage to his joints, but Idiopathic Immune Mediated Polyarthiritis is practically the same thing without the erosion of the bones ( so the better option if you look at it like that). I also read that it is very rare for them to find the initial cause of the problem and this was what my sister was told - it is usually due to the way your body responds to an infection, it basically sends your immune system a bit crazy and causes it to start to attack itself.
If this is the problem with him it does look very hopeful and like you said can be recovered from well. When talking to the vet I asked him what would happen if this was the case and he said he may have to remain on medication, he may be able to come off it after a while or it may be used intermittently when he has a flare up, every case is different, but whatever
happens it can be controlled. Fingers crossed for a proper diagnosis
tomorrow.
My dog treat cupboard in my kitchen is slowly turning into a dog medicine cupboard - feeding times are getting longer and longer due to all the pills I have to dish out!!!:luck::luck:

sandyc
00:35:56 Thu
May 26 2011
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I just so hope they can get a diagnoses and get poor Busta sorted out!Keeping the thoughts and prayers going!

Katiesnowflake
00:57:33 Thu
May 26 2011
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Keeping you all in our hearts and prayers. xx

BoxerMad
19:01:11 Thu
May 26 2011
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Our vet today had some better news - nearly all of Busta's test results have come back clear, a scan to look for tumours on his organs, his x-rays show no damage to his bones, blood and urine tests are normal apart from a high white blood cell count but the fluid from his joints is indicating towards the Idiopathic Immune-mediated Polyarthiritis - they are still waiting on some of the culture results but they have enough information now that they can start him on some medication:banana:

They will be starting him on corticosteroids which will initially be injections, but once he has improved will be given in tablet form.

The vet also said that he had managed to get up on his feet all by himself a few times today - he hasn't been able to do this for over a week, so he must be improving already.

I am hoping that he will be back home in two to three days once he is settled on the steroids. I am going to bake some of his favourite dog treats this evening (Liver sausage & cottage cheese oatcakes - sound disgusting but he loves them) and go to see him again tomorrow afternoon - I am a much happier girlie today :love:

sandyc
19:27:22 Thu
May 26 2011
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Thank goodness!Now,he will improve on meds and will be on the road to recovery!So glad to hear he's doing better!

HARIBOH
21:44:57 Thu
May 26 2011
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Excellent news...especially with him getting up on his feet..

Please send me your address when you get him home ... im coming to steal him lol.... hes such a stunning dog <3

Shona x

jilldemo
00:41:05 Fri
May 27 2011
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Great news on Busta. Hope he is home soon.


BoxerMad
09:35:58 Fri
May 27 2011
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Thanks everyone - Made his treats for him, got to wait until 3pm to be able to go visit him - Can't wait!!

Shona - that really made me chuckle! You are more than welcome to come for a visit but as for stealing him - NO WAY, HE IS ALL MINE!!!!! Lol



Polo123
19:08:05 Fri
May 27 2011
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aw that's fantastic news, hopefully he'll soon be back home and running rings round you all :banana: :dogwalking:

as to the home made treats I think you should post the recipe, I've never heard of doggy treat recipes before :cheering:

BoxerMad
21:56:47 Fri
May 27 2011
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Went to see Busta again this afternoon, he seems so much better than he was on Wednesday, a lot more responsive and he can now sit down and stand up on his own. He is still not eating, couldn't even tempt him with my home made treats. I think it is partly because he is still on a drip for fluids and the vet said he is not really drinking much himself, he has always been one to drink loads of water before and after eating and I think once they take him off the fluids he will start drinking and become more interested in eating again. If all goes well he could hopefully be home on Sunday or Monday. I really hope so - we are missing him so much.

Linda, I have a whole recipe book of doggie treats, I only paid 2.99 for it from Sainsburys. Well worth it too! I will post some of the recipes over the weekend - my three love the treats I make, Henry was sniffing at the oven door as they were cooking today!:wink:

HARIBOH
10:49:10 Sat
May 28 2011
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Im sure you will find once the steroids kick in he will get his appetite back really quickly.

My mum also has severe rheumatoid athritis, she has it in her feet hands knees and shoulders and when she gets a really bad flare up that her normal medication cant cope with she struggles to eat as well, as soon as she gets the steroid injections her appetite returns within a couple of days then she eats for Scotland.

Once back on his feet im sure Busta will regain some of the weight he has lost really quickly.

Shona x


hubblebubble
13:40:39 Sat
May 28 2011
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my word...poor you...heres hopin that hes on the road to recovery now.I have just read the post all in one cause ive obviously missed it.You really do deserve a run of goodluck after all that! I hope your bakin tempts him to start eating again now and he can put the weight back on.
Sending you and busta hugs
Sue and bobby x

BoxerMad
20:17:30 Sat
May 28 2011
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Went to see Busta again this afternoon - he was having a snooze when we arrived so they took us through to his kennel instead of bringing him out to us - he looked so comfortable with his big thick foam mattress with another duvet type cushion on top - i almost wanted to climb in with him!!

He didn't actually get up whilst we were there but the nurse said that his movement has improved further and he even gave me his paw when i asked:love:

I took some more treats with me, and some cooked chicken breast, but the only thing i could get tempt him with was a cheese triangle - he wasn't interested at first but i rubbed a little on his tongue and gums and he then started licking it off my finger which is an improvement as he just wasn't interested in anything previously - i tried to trick him by putting some of the cheese triangle onto a piece of the chicken but it didn't work - he is cleverer than i thought.

The vet that has been looking after him all week was not there today, but will be back tomorrow, really hoping he will say Busta can come home tomorrow evening -that way i can spend all day Monday with him before i have to go back to work.

Will be so glad to have my baby home :love:

BoxerMad
06:47:47 Mon
May 30 2011
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Got a call from the vet yesterday lunchtime to say Busta would be able to come home. They were unable to get him eating in the hospital and thought that by being home he might be more comfortable and start to show some interest in food. The problem was he came home with 5 different types of medication and if we were unable to get him to take the medication he would have to be readmitted.

He has lost so much weight - i have never seen him so thin in all the time we have had him:sad:

Picked him up at 3pm and once he had settled back in at home we offered him some food and he just kept turning his head away, it was getting really frustrating as we really did not want to have to readmit him. We managed to get his first lot of medication in to him by putting it to the back of his throat and holding his mouth shut till we knew he had swallowed it - I really hate to have to give medication that way though as i feel it is more stressful for him.

I popped out for a few hours with my sister for a late birthday meal for her, and Brendan stayed home with Busta, he tried him again with food, but still no interest:crying:

When i came home it was time for his next dose of medication, again had to be given in the same way, but in a piece of a cheese triangle, once he had swallowed that though he started licking my fingers, so he finished off the rest of the cheese triangle . . . . we were on a roll now, quickly rushed to the kitchen and took some lamb from the fridge and he happily took several pieces of that and didn't look happy when i sneaked Henry a Pepsi a little bit! He probably ate about six or seven pieces of lamb, but then loooked as though he might be sick so i had to hold his head up and keep stroking his throat until it passed - we were just so happy though, that he had eaten . . . . . and had taken food willingly:banana:

He slept upstairs in his bed with Henry and Pepsi last night (Brendan said he practically ran up the stairs) and he was up waiting for me as i came out of the bedroom this morning - it's so good to see him getting back to his normal self and back into his normal routine!

This morning have managed to get his medication into him, but not yet offered him any food, want to make sure the medication is going to stay down first - he is having a little nap, but will try with him some food shortly.


I think tomorrow morning i am going to have to get up an hour early before i go to work, Need to allow time to get his medication into him and be sure it is going to stay down and also a bit of food if possible before i leave - Problem is i already get up at 4.15am as i start at 5.30am - My alarm will be set for 3.15am for the next week:waa:

Insurance really are going to hate us - His bill from the hospital for the week is . . . . . . . . . .3148.31:eek:
This is just for his stay in hospital and all the tests they have carried out - there is also around a 600 bill at our own vets for treatment and tests before he was admitted - Yep, we are almost at the maximum limit for him too. We have about 250 left on his policy before we have to start paying for his treatment as well as Henry's - I cannot believe our bad luck - we are already at the bottom of our bank accounts and overdrafts because of everything we have had to pay out for Henry - really not sure how we are going to manage this?

As long as he is taking his medication and doing okay we don't have to take him back until Thursday afternoon:luck:

Anyway will keep updating on how he is doing :wave:

HARIBOH
11:17:49 Mon
May 30 2011
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Great new thats he is back up on his feet...its good for him to have the other dogs around because that might coax him to have some more food.

What about doing something to raise some funds... ie: car boot sale, coffee morning or something like that ...hunt out all those clothes you dont wear and get them fired onto ebay... or wait til bendans not there and sell all his on ebay haha.

Fingers crossed he continues to feel better and hes back to his old self soon

Shona x

Polo123
13:24:59 Mon
May 30 2011
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So pleased that he seems a lot brighter & is eating again :cheering:

sandyc
05:33:50 Tue
May 31 2011
Re: Busta is poorly
So glad to hear he's home and doing better!Also glad you had the insurance.Hope you can sell off old stuff or something,to help with the bills.That sure is alot.

Katiesnowflake
02:13:47 Wed
Jun 1 2011
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How is the boy this week?

BoxerMad
15:39:33 Fri
Jun 3 2011
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Busta is doing okay - he is eating again. He came home from the vets on Sunday and would only be hand fed all day Monday, but Tuesday morning when he woke up he couldn't get enough food. I had started off hand feeding him pieces of cooked chicken breast and he was wolfing it down so i put some in his bowl and he ate the lot in about a minute, next i opened a tin of meat and he ate the lot!! We used to feed them meat once a day and leave biscuits down so they could help themselves - he is currently on four tins a day!!! He really needs it though as he has lost so much weight.

We went back to the vets yesterday for a check up and the vet was pleased with his progress, but is concerned about his weight, the steroids he is on can cause muscle loss and his medication may have to change if this is the case. He is still on loads of antibiotics and will probably be on them for a while yet. We have started asking the vet for prescriptions now as we are almost at out limit for the insurance - i can't believe the difference in price. We bought a weeks worth of the steriods from the vets yesterday and it cost 30.30 - I just ordered a months worth online using a prescription and it was only 25.95 including delivery!

Busta has also come up in a lumpy sort of rash on his ears and his nose, the fur comes away quite easily and it starts bleeding - the vet took a scrape of this yesterday to be analysed - our first thought was that it was a reaction to all the medication, but it only happened a couple of days ago so we are waiting to find out the results of the smear.

Busta seems so much better in himself - his eyes are so much brighter and he starts wagging his stump of a tail as soon as we speak to him. He is still very stiff when he first starts moving but once he gets going he is not too bad, a lot slower than he used to be, but at least he is not in any pain.

We have another appointment to go back on Tuesday - we should get the results from yesterdays urine sample then and they want to do another blood test. The plan is for him to stay on the very high dose of steroids for around four to six weeks and then gradually start lowering the dose.

As we left yesterday the vet said to me, he is doing really well, but he still has a long way to go, he is still a very poorly boy - as long as things are improving though i am happy - it may be a long process but Busta is so worth it:love:

Polo123
19:04:48 Fri
Jun 3 2011
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Great news Caroline so pleased he's on the mend :love:

Katiesnowflake
02:13:14 Sat
Jun 4 2011
Re: Busta is poorly
Good news

sandyc
03:15:17 Sat
Jun 4 2011
Re: Busta is poorly
Wonderful news!So happy to hear he's getting better and better!

BoxerMad
07:31:22 Sat
Jun 4 2011
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Woo Hoo - Very happy this morning, Busta played ball with me:cheering:

It was all very slow, but his ears perked up when i picked up the ball and asked him if he wanted to play and he chased it several times and bought it back to me - Our old Busta is slowly returning:wink:

We have also started taking him for short walks on the lead, just about a hundred metres up the road and back, but i think it is keeping his morale up and seems to loosen him up - he is doing so well and is just so willing to do everything we ask of him:love:

We have to be careful not to overdo it of course, but each day seems to be getting better and better :luck:

Polo123
16:37:49 Sun
Jun 5 2011
Re: Busta is poorly
all these little steps add up :love:



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