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sweetangelemma  19:59:13 Mon Jan 15 2007 Offline 186 posts Chatterbox  Mood Now:  Reply |
I wondered if anyone knew of the massage technique to persuade a testicle to ''show it's self''? if it doesnt show in the next 2 months its the chop for scottbi and i really really dont want that as i want him to be a daddy one day!
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SashasMum  20:52:36 Mon Jan 15 2007 Offline 4352 posts Admin   Mood Now:  Reply |
If Scottbi has an undescended testicle, it is usual recommended that they are neutered.
Is Scottbi a white boy?
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nickys_boxers 21:04:44 Mon Jan 15 2007 Offline posts  Mood Now:  Reply |
how old is he?
if he is over 6 months i would see your vet, it is likely he will need to be neutured
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jilldemo 22:23:39 Mon Jan 15 2007 Offline 2122 posts Admin  Mood Now:  Reply |
Daz has this syndrome. There may only be one. If it is not bothering the dog, why butcher them? Even neutering will need exploratory surgery to ensure a complete job is done.
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Squeezeboxplayer 22:44:55 Mon Jan 15 2007 Offline 598 posts Boxer Maniac   Mood Now:  Reply |
Gixer suffered with this. I hadn't heard of this technique but at his first booster the vet said if it hadn't appeared by then it wans't going too. We wanted him to be a daddy one day too but there is the chance of them developing cancer in the undescended one and we didn't want to take the risk. Luckily the undescended testicle was easy for the vet to find as it was half way between Gixer's kidneys and groin. He is fine now and hasn't even got a scar.
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nickys_boxers 01:00:55 Tue Jan 16 2007 Offline posts Mood Now: Reply |
If an undescended testicle is left in the body it is Much more to testicular diseases like cancer and torsion. I would never leave a dog with an undescended testicle. This was taken from a vet website: Undescended testicles have an increased tendency to grow tumors over descended testicles. They may also twist on their stalks and cause life-threatening inflammation. For these reasons, neutering is recommended for dogs with undescended testicles. This procedure is more complicated than a routine neuter; the missing testicle can be under the skin along the path it should have descended to the scrotum or it may be inside the abdomen. Some exploration may be needed to find it thus there is often an incision for each testicle. The retained testicle is sterile and under-developed. If there is one descended testicle, this one will be fertile but since retaining a testicle is a hereditary trait, it is important that the male dog not be bred before he is neutered.
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BoxerMad  13:41:03 Tue Jan 16 2007 Offline 1156 posts Admin  Mood Now:  Reply |
My mother in laws boxer had an undescended one and was advised to have him neutered as soon as possible due to the possibility of cancer.
Apparently cancer is more likely as the testicles should not get too warm - if it is undescended it is warmer inside the body than it would be outside, this is the main reason. My mother in law even managed to get hers paid for on her insurance as it was seen as a necessity to prevent cancer. Usually insurance doesn't cover neutering / spaying. It may still move down on its own depending on his age but if it hasn't done so by six months it is not very likely to.
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Jakes_mum 15:33:35 Tue Jan 16 2007 Offline 746 posts Boxer Maniac Mood Now:  Reply |
Have to say, Heskey had this problem, and he was castrated at the vets advice. Hes a happy and well adjusted dog (if you could call a boxer well adjusted!)
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sweetangelemma 21:39:00 Tue Jan 16 2007 Offline 186 posts Chatterbox Mood Now: Reply |
Scottbi is red and white and he is 15 week old.
I was hoping you wouldnt all say that he should be neutered, we were hoping he would be a daddy one day and we really wanted to show him (at least once). The thing is the ''missing'' testicle comes down into place when a little presure is applied (well untill the vet had a good feel last night  smile: and i thought because it came into place their was a good chance that it would appear soon. but the vet said not.  Some breeders do say to leave them a year though. I dont understand that is the testicle he has is ok why they cant leave it?!?! As you may have guessed we are new to the whole puppy/ boxer arena! |
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SashasMum 21:49:01 Tue Jan 16 2007 Offline 4352 posts Admin Mood Now: Reply |
I am sure Scottbi wont feel he has missed out in the world if he doesn't become a daddy - his health is far more important really.
There are so many risks involved with an undescended testicle and, even if they were to leave one, a) you couldn't show him and b) you couldn't stud him because of the genetic fault with the other testicle, so he may as well have them both removed and be a happier dog for it!! 
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Squeezeboxplayer 01:11:31 Thu Jan 18 2007 Offline 598 posts Boxer Maniac Mood Now: Reply |
Believe me it's much easier to go through a castration than an illness that could be terminal. It is a lot less worry in the long run and you will have loads of years together with your Boxer babe. I agree he won't be any the wiser - he won't miss anythinghe hasn't had
 You won't be able to stud or show him with the condition anyway. You can still attend the fun dog shows with him that are held throughout the summer usually. I really feel it was the bst thing we did with Gixer.
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tish5566 11:32:13 Thu Jan 18 2007 Offline posts Mood Now:  Reply |
I've heard that if you can find the testical(ie it's not right up in the groin)it is sometims possible to 'massage' it down.
It's not something that i have tried to do myself it's something that i was told years ago by a vet who used to show dogs and if she had a dog with a retained testical then she would try this method before she would castrate.(this was on the dogs she wanted to show herself) Saying all that i don't think she was ever succesful in dropping the testical with this method!!
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jilldemo 23:20:57 Fri Jan 19 2007 Offline 2122 posts Admin Mood Now: Reply |
I will challenge my Vet about her advice.
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Katiesnowflake  02:42:22 Sat Jan 20 2007 Offline 2242 posts Admin Mood Now:  Reply |
Many years ago I bought a dog to show. I was told then to leave it as sometimes they do come down around 9 months. Well it didnt and from 9 months on he never won a thing in the show ring which was disappointing. So, the answer to showing is if he has one undescended they wont put him up in the ring [judges] so as someone else suggested that leaves you the option of attending the Exemption fun shows where neutered dogs can be shown anyway. As for breeding, thats a no/no with this condition.
Before anyone embarks on breeding, I would suggest you visit your local Boxer rescue or indeed any rescue/dogs home and see all the dogs there in desperate need of homes most through no fault of their own. Helen |
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SashasMum 10:55:37 Sat Jan 20 2007 Offline 4352 posts Admin Mood Now: Reply |
Might be a good idea Jill, it might be that Daz has a slightly different situation, but you would want to make sure. 
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sweetangelemma 22:05:19 Sat Jan 20 2007 Offline 186 posts Chatterbox Mood Now: Reply |
thankz everyone for the advice.
A quick update to the ''missing testicle'' i am doin the massage to the best of my abbilitys (pauls feeling a little left out!!) and i am just hoping it's workin as it falls nicely into place while and after massage but after about 5 mins goes into hiding! i dont wanna get my hopes up but i secretly think it might come down. I may leave him till 9months. Maybe he is a late developer! |
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jilldemo 00:11:50 Sun Jan 21 2007 Offline 2122 posts Admin Mood Now: Reply |
My O/M now wants to come live with you!
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BoxerMad 10:18:04 Sun Jan 21 2007 Offline 1156 posts Admin Mood Now: Reply |
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