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kerrigan 23:35:41 Mon Feb 21 2005 Offline posts  Mood Now:  Reply |
 Lorraine recieved a phone call 2day basically saying it was a disgrace that I was associated with the rescueWhy, because Bonnie had the pups & she was a "rescue" ( I use that term very loosely but that is a whole other story which some of you may remember) this is true and I have always openly admitted I was irresponsible, but it did happen in extreme circumstances, it most cerainly was`nt intentional, the money we got for the pups was used for Bonnie & Clydes benefit, Do you think my name being associated will cause harm to the rescue? Should I step down? Should I be banned from helping boxers?because of Bonnie had pups? I have`nt been asked to step down but I removed my name & details from our site, I do not want to cause any negativity re Boxer Welfare. I am taking legal advice re the phone call which was slanderous, I am devastated really but would appreciate your honest opinion. yvonne |
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jilldemo 23:52:56 Mon Feb 21 2005 Offline 2067 posts Admin   Mood Now:  Reply |
To err, is human. To forgive, is devine.
I think your experience with Bonnie and Clyde will heighten your awareness of the potential consequences, better placing your suitability for the position. Also, I believe that all rescue, stray or otherwise rehomed animals, should be speyed prior to rehoming. any other course of action could be self defeating. |
SashasMum  23:53:15 Mon Feb 21 2005 Offline 4352 posts Admin  Mood Now:  Reply |
Ok ........... honestly???!!
I think your energy and drive with the rescue and care of boxers is something others can only stand and admire! I don't know the story of Bonnie etc, but I see that you are taking responsiblity and accept that you may have made an error in your judgement. Were all the puppies well homed?? Were all the puppies well cared for and do all the new owners have access to their new pup's records - I am sure, knowing you, they do. I think the puppy situation as probably made you the perfect person to teach others the right way to go about things, and explain the reasons why. Making a mistake does not make you a bad person - not learning from them does. I think you should carry on with Boxer Welfare, you have a huge heart and an even bigger concience when it comes to the well being of this beloved breed. There are few enough people out there with your kind of love and care, and we cannot afford to let you stand down!! Be strong and hold your head up Yvonne, you have done great things and I am sure this is just the tip of the iceberg of what you can achieve. Big hugs Karen :loveya: |
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kerrigan 00:09:50 Tue Feb 22 2005 Offline posts Mood Now: Reply |
:loveya:All the pups had the best in vet/family care in our home, we were very choosy who got them and turned more people away than we accepted, all the pups records as were Clydes & Bonnies available ,
The exceptional circumstances, Bonnie got pregnant in the first month of Gordon(hubbys 22yrs cousin)to live with us, Gordon had Down`s & severe epilepsy 25+ seizures per day at that point( & had just lost both his parents within a month) we did`nt have the security measures for Gordon then camera/alarms , he slept in our room, it was 24/7 care & that was Gordon had to be our main priority which resulted in B&C being in the back garden more unsupervised. All my pups are still in the homes they went to as puppies & adored by thier families. All the families know Bonnie`s background & the mistake I made by allowing her to get pregnant. yvonne |
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jilldemo 08:31:54 Tue Feb 22 2005 Offline 2067 posts Admin Mood Now: Reply |
Looking at your Avatar Yvonne. Dare you call that a mistake.
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gingerboy 12:34:15 Tue Feb 22 2005 Offline 871 posts Boxer Maniac   Mood Now:  Reply |
Yvonne - surely as human beings we learn from a formal education and mistakes I'm sure all of us have done something that either we would rather not be reminded of or are not proud of, the important thing is that we learn from them - as you have!!!
Although I may not know you that well I know how passionate you are of the breed and that you have their best interests at heart - ask yourself this question - would or does the person you received the phone call from devote their free time to rehoming and caring for boxers that need your help? If the answer is no then I would take whatever they have said with a pinch of salt. I for one admire what you stand for and the fact that you give your time to helping less fortunate boxers. Was it a breeder that rang you? I wonder if they could say that all the pups thay have placed in homes are still with the people they were placed with and that their dogs were receiving the same standard of care as Bonnies? Again if the answer is no does this person have a personal vendettor? I'm sure that the people who visit this and other sites will give you their backing as they know that you have learnt from your mistakes and are one of only a handful of people that really do make a worthwhile contribution to the breed from advice to hands on rehoming and care. I wish I could say I contibuted as much as you to the breed and if I did I would be proud of my achievements!!!!!!!! Please don't let the ignorance of one person force your hand, think of all the owners and dogs you have helped so far and all those you can help in the future. Take care, Paul |
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SashasMum 15:10:29 Tue Feb 22 2005 Offline 4352 posts Admin Mood Now: Reply |
Reading the story of how Bonnie got pregnant proves that it wasn't an irresponsible act. You didn't just get two dogs and decide to breed them for the hell of it - that's irresponsible!
What happened to you was the consequence of a situation which most people could only ever imagine finding themselves in. It happened, end of story. It obviously wasn't your fault, you weren't being an uncaring irresponsible owner, you were busy dealing with the momentus ordeal that life had dealt you! Like Jill says, perhaps advocating that all bitches are spayed prior to rehoming, could prevent situations like these occuring? Lets face it, how many bitches escape while on heat and get pregnant and the owners have no idea? Sometimes these accidents happen and your experience Yvonne is the perfect example of how things can simply "go wrong" and could help you champion the cause in the future, rather than damage it!!! Chin up! Karen  |
Polo123  16:26:30 Tue Feb 22 2005 Offline 1568 posts Mod  Mood Now:  Reply |
Yvonne, I agree with what the others have said, how someone can do this to you is quite unbelievable - it almost sounds as though they are jealous
 Surely your experience with Bonnie & Clyde can only serve to help educate others, people will listen to someone who has been through your situation rather than someone without the same experience.Keep up the brilliant work you are doing with the rescue & show you can rise above these petty comments from an obviously ignorant person. Hopefully this experience will not put you off your mission but strengthen your resolve :loveya:
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Dawn01 17:41:24 Tue Feb 22 2005 Offline posts  Mood Now:  Reply |
I dont mean to sound stupid here i may be totaly missing the point here but What the hell has it got to do with this person ????
ok! Dogs like people get pregnant every day and its not like you gave the pups away to a rehoming centre or had them put to sleep like many so called responsible breeders !! I think you are a great credit to the Boxer rescue and do so much work and help for all thos poor defenceless Boxers who have been mistreated or have no home. I think you do a excelent job and sould be very proud of what you do just think you are saving these dogs lives, I think you should fully have the right to hold your head up high, Get your name but back on the site and know that we are all fully behind you and proud of you. As for the person who so rudely slandered your good name ask them if they are so concerned if they would like to set up a group where she can teach dogs about sex education and protection as im sure they could control a dogs natural instinct  This was a accident and you should not blame yourself luv
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kerrigan 22:24:11 Tue Feb 22 2005 Offline posts Mood Now: Reply |
The person who made the call was the person I got Bonnie from, she does head a "rescue" and I use the term very lightly, Bonnie`s "rescue" consisted of one phone call to me(afer I filled in a online application) one frid night, telling me they had Bonnie, did I want her and if i did I had to pick her up on the sunday, I did, no Home check, nothing, I did`nt even have to pay for her, the "rescue" had Bonnie for less than an hour before I got her,
I went through hell with this woman and finally sought legal advice and after the first letter from my lawyer to them I did`nt hear another word untill the phone call. I reported this rescue to the kennel club, and sought advice from other rescues re Bonnie`s rescue. This all happened 2yrs ago now suddenly she is kicking off again because she has seen my name on the site. She may head a "rescue" but in my opinion boxers are not her priority. I got Bonnie without signing any documentation, Thanks for all your support, it really is appreciated:loveya: yvonne |
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SashasMum 22:30:12 Tue Feb 22 2005 Offline 4352 posts Admin Mood Now: Reply |
Get your name back on that website and get on with what you are best at!!
There are always going to be others who want to put a spoke in someone's plans, so don't let them get away with it.  Dont let her stop you helping our precious breed. Karen |
Katiesnowflake  01:16:47 Wed Feb 23 2005 Offline 2202 posts Admin Mood Now:  Reply |
Also, I believe that all rescue, stray or otherwise rehomed animals, should be speyed prior to rehoming. any other course of action could be self defeating.
I second the above. How can you only have a dog for an hour and then rehome it. When we got Rosie we had to sign an application to state that we had to spey her. We had a very lengthy talk and visit from a representative from the rescue. House and garden were inspected. They brought her to us and again we were interviewed. We also had to let them know as soon as she was speyed. It happened and if you had known, you could have got the morning after injection. However you had extenuating circumstances at the time. You cant dwell on the past. Did they ever check with you at any time if you had got her speyed like the rescue we got Rosie from. You just cant home these animals and leave it at that. A check should be kept on all the animals throughout their life not only for their sake and wefare but also for the owners support and guidance. |
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jacquie 16:49:45 Wed Feb 23 2005 Offline posts  Mood Now: Reply |
Get a move on! Get your name back.
What Yvonne is too modest to tell everyone is that they did not have to take Gordon, They were not happy with the care he was getting so decided to take him home. Not alot of people would do that for a reletive let alone someone with special needs!:loveya: As most people have said, your hearts in the right place Yvonne and you know you have all our backing. I dont know of a single person that if they had the chance would NOT change a single thing in there lifes. I know you found really good homes for all your pups and keep intouch with there familys. Do you think breeders do that? No danger! |
BoxerMad  18:00:58 Wed Feb 23 2005 Offline 1150 posts Admin  Mood Now:  Reply |
Yvonne - Everyone else seems to have already said everything i want to say to you. I don't think you have done anything wrong.
It was a genuine mistake that Bonnie got pregnant, not through neglect or carelessness, but because at that time you had someone else who needed your care and attention, and although I only know you through this site I feel that you are a genuine caring person who always puts others before herself. I think you are a lot more responsible than the person who made the call, from what you have said about the way Bonnie came to be with you. For all they knew you could have been anyone, who wasn't neccesarily going to be a good owner for Bonnie but they let you take her anyway. Luckily that was not the case - but think about how they acted in that situation. I know how hard it can be finding homes for a litter of pups, especially when it is a large litter and the fact that you ensured they were all going to good homes makes you a lot more responsible than the person who made the call. Like you we had to turn away several people who we did not think were suitable ownerrs for our pups and it is not an easy thing to do, especially as we had a couple who got very angry about it. And although people think you make a lot of money out of breeding , that is so untrue. By the time you have paid for injections, food, flea treatments, worming treatments and general health checks etc for both mum and pups it really is an awful lot of work for the small amount of money that is left. I think you should hold your head up proud (just like a boxer) and don't let that person get to you. You are doing a wonderful job rehoming poor mistreated unloved animals, who without your help i would dread to think where they would be now. So don't be down Yvonne - you deserve to be very happy and proud of what you are doing - don't let one phone call spoil that. Caroline, Tia, Kirei and Henry Monster xxxx
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kerrigan 00:30:39 Thu Feb 24 2005 Offline posts Mood Now: Reply |
Thank you all so much for your support, I will put my name back on the site as soon as we become a registered charity,
thank you all yvonne |
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kerrigan 00:35:17 Thu Feb 24 2005 Offline posts Mood Now: Reply |
No follow up was ever done on Bonnie, except her accusing me of abusing Bonnie & sending the SPPCA to my door, who were quick to apologise when they seen Bonnie & Clyde and how well they were cared for & how much we adored them.
That hurt the most being accused of abusing Bonnie, yvonne |
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molidoodle 22:42:21 Mon Feb 28 2005 Offline posts Mood Now:  Reply |
we need you yvonne....
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kerrigan 02:28:27 Tue Mar 8 2005 Offline posts Mood Now: Reply |
thanks Pat, and everyone else
yvonne |
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Katiesnowflake 00:28:39 Wed Mar 9 2005 Offline 2202 posts Admin Mood Now: Reply |
Hi
How are you, have you got back up to 100 per cent again? Do hope so. K |
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