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weazy779
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Surely as boxer lovers we can all realise that the reason we love them has nothing to do with whether they have a tail or not. Poppy is docked but I would have fallen in love with her regardless of whether she had been or not.

As Karen says I think it will be the breeders who will be held responsible. I am not for tail docking but whilst it was legal I assume that it was done by a vet under some kind of anesthetic which to me seems a lot more humane than just cutting it with scissors. I really wouldn't like to think that was done to my Poppy.

Like Karen said it is the law now, boxers will have tails and in time people will be looking at older boxers thinking how strange they look without it.



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Im all for the ban, and always have been, i love seeing boxers how they should be.

IMO if a dog is doing a job that puts it in so much danger of injuring its tail, then it should not be doing that job in the first place.

If it has a chance of breaking/loosing its tail then it also has a chance of seriously injuring other parts of its body too.



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seasidecarl
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how do i prove that ziggys tail was already docked? i have a paper from white boxer rescue telling me what i must do.....neutered by six months, tag on collar stating he is deaf etc, but there is no mention of tail docking......



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Surely Sheila would back you up on it?



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dominic1
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It is not illegal to own an Illegally docked dog,as long as you have not asked the Breeder to dock it for you...As you got Ziggy from A Rescue they will have paperwork to say how old he was etc so no need to worry...
The breeder who did this is the Guilty Person and can be Fined quite heavily.....Again you do not know the breeder.


The Krays. If you asked thebreeder to dock for you,then you can be fined.If it was The breeder themselves then they need Reporting..

We are struggling every day with problems that arise from banned dogs etc.no one is going to take any Dog Owners seriously while there are people breaking the Law.

I cant see any reputable breeder risking their Licence just to provide someone with a Docked Pup...



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no ronnie was allreadly dock when we brought him as was the rest of the litter . we love our dogs like you all do and we do hope that dock boxers havent suffered in any way .

  
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At least none of you have anything to worry about and can enjoy your pups knowing this:blowkisses:



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Anyone who has bought a pup after the banned date with a docked tail is NOT to blame. There will be many out there who dont even know its illegal. Its the breeders at fault not the purchaser so I hope that puts your minds at rest.

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You dont need to go abroad you can go to Dr Bruce Cattanach who breeds the "Bobtail" boxers. These are Boxers that are born tailess. I wont go into that as its not something I particularly agree with the way it was gone about but he has a lot of followers/support/advocates.

As for using Boxers to work and retrieve, well done. As a working breed the |Boxer was bred for guarding and Police work so you have effectively managed to train them as a gundog. They obviously lead a full and varied life.

We had two for 13 + 14 years respectively with tails and they never had a tail injury. I got whipped a few times round the face but that was my fault for bending down and getting in the way:veryexcited:

Docking tails was fashionable in Victorian times. What right have we as mere human beings to remove part of the anatomy of another creature. Ask any vet whether puppies feel pain or not when docked. Ask any vet the distress the bitch has on hearing her babies crying when they are put back with her. That argument where they dont feel pain and its okay after a few days ..... what a sad reflection on us as the so called "dominat" species.

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Anyone who has bought a pup after the banned date with a docked tail is NOT to blame. There will be many out there who dont even know its illegal. Its the breeders at fault not the purchaser so I hope that puts your minds at rest.

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You dont need to go abroad you can go to Dr Bruce Cattanach who breeds the "Bobtail" boxers. These are Boxers that are born tailess. I wont go into that as its not something I particularly agree with the way it was gone about but he has a lot of followers/support/advocates.

As for using Boxers to work and retrieve, well done. As a working breed the |Boxer was bred for guarding and Police work so you have effectively managed to train them as a gundog. They obviously lead a full and varied life.

We had two for 13 + 14 years respectively with tails and they never had a tail injury. I got whipped a few times round the face but that was my fault for bending down and getting in the way:veryexcited:

Docking tails was fashionable in Victorian times. What right have we as mere human beings to remove part of the anatomy of another creature. Ask any vet whether puppies feel pain or not when docked. Ask any vet the distress the bitch has on hearing her babies crying when they are put back with her. That argument where they dont feel pain and its okay after a few days ..... what a sad reflection on us as the so called "dominat" species.

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cooky79
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Hello
I have a male boxer called Bailey. He has a tail and when I talked to him the other night he told me ... that hes glad that he has a tail because it is so much fun wagging it about. He said its great..you can swipe cups off the coffee table, lash your owner in the eye and whip the kids legs when they get in your way.

My opinion is much the same. I believe what you are born with is what you should die with, unless you need it removing for medical reasons.

What about the dew claw??? Is it illegal to remove that??? When I spoke to my vet she was harping on about the dew claw and going on about that NOT being illegal...is that right??? I mean its still amutation of something that doesnt need removing!

Cooky xxx

  
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As far as I know its still legal to remove the dew claws.

Have you any piccies of your Boxer you can post? He sounds like a chap with lots of character:biggrin:

Helen

  
cooky79
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Hi

no I have no pictures as yet im still trying to fathum tecnology to be honest. but as soon as I get some transfered to the computer I will post pictures of my lovely bonnie and bailey.

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Will look forward to seeing your pictures.

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I think most dogs have their dew claws removed as they have a habit of getting them ripped and then it causes imense pain and possibly infection for the dog.

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I remember our old dog having a problem with his dew claw - I came home to find blood everywhere, I thoughthe'd got hold of a carving knife or something :eek:



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Yes, but not all dog have their dew claws removed, evolution is working on it, but this will not be perfected in the near future. There has been another thread on here lately about docking tails, modifying dogs, well here we are, it's alright to modify a dog for one thing(dew claws) but not the other(tails)



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Tizzy has her dew claws and I did think about getting them removed at the same time as she was spayed. Originally the vet was quite happy to do it, but wouldn't have done it as a single surgery, as there is no point in putting the dog through it.

When she went for her prespay check up they checked her dew claws and said that her dew claws were so firmly attached to the bone that there was no need to remove them.

So Tizzy is tail and dew claw in tacto!! It's just her brain that was removed!! :newtonguesmile:



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One of my previous dogs managed to rip his (no blood) and then developed an horrendous infection in his dew claw area. Consequently his claw never grew back properly and it was always a risk from there on. The vet said he wouldnt remove it as the dog was old and didnt want to put him through unecessary operations, but wished that owners would have this done when pups were young to prevent dogs suffering later. This is so such a differnt issue than docking which is done to customise dogs to fit humans ideas of how they want them to look.

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I dont really think removing dew claws can be compared to docking. Tails play a big part in communication with other dogs. Dew claws are not as important nor are they removed for cosmetic reasons (unlike docking) they are removed for health reasons only, i have 2 without dew claws and 1 with, Kizzys dew claws do need removing though as they have been infected twice since ive had her (12 months) and shes ripped one off too, very very paintfull too!



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When we got Katie she had had her dew claws removed, however one hadn't been removed properly and the nail was still there. As she grew the nail didnt grow normally but was curved in and going into the leg. There was no way you could have trimmed it off either. She had to go in and have it properly removed.

Smaller and Toy dogs seem to get quite a lot of problems with the dew claws tearing and breaking off. It can be very painful as Nicky says above.

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visa always had her tail short since we have her ! we didn't really have choice.



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boxermad2007
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i have a boxer with a taol,i got her at the end of may this year,as she had been shoved into 3 different homes at that time,i was told she was about 6months,which does surprise me as she hasnt been docked,i wish she had that tails is deadly its knocks everything over and hurts lol

  
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The following is my opinion on the matter

So far as tial docking is concerned I think their are very few people who hand on heart can justify tail docking in the boxer breed. In some breeds such as spaniels, which, still are used in large numbers as gun / game dogs used specifically for the purpose of flushing out in dense areas of brambles their is witout doubt an increased risk of serious damage and or dislocation of the tail in adult dogs.

So in the case of some but few dogs yes their is potentially justification for docking, however proving that docking of your gun dog is justifiable is a different matter.

Ultimately, Tail docking is now illegal although their is a clause which allows docking of "working dogs". The greater majority of Boxers are family pets and if we are honest with ourselves, and more importantly if the small minority of breeders that are tail docking were honest, they are performing amputation of tails illegaly purely for cosmetic reasons and more likely than not for financial gain.

The removal of dew claws is something that personally I can understand in our beloved breed. Seeing the way boxers play, romp through undergrowth and hack through forest at full pace the potential for a boxer to damage a dew claw leading to injury, I would say is high.

Molly and Tash do on a regular basis catch the area around where, their dew claws were, I dread to think what damage would have been inflicted if their dew claws were still present.

All to often you read on here and on UKBD about boxers damaging pads and or nails to the point where a trip to the vets is required. In some instances the complete nail, including nail bed has to be removed as it has become infected. I think this goes some way to supporting the fact that dew claw removal can be of long term benefit to the dog. Obviously the removal of dew claws should only be undertaken by a highly trained professional i.e. a vet, NOT A BREEDER.

To summarise, tail docking = NO, unless of course your Boxer is a working dog.

Dew claws, yes I can understand - I only have to watch my two out on a walk to see that the long term benefits far outway the short term benefits of not removing them. Infact Tash is laid beside me with 2 nasty gashes both within close proximity of where he dew claws used to be....................... would I now be down at my vets seeking medical advice, paying for treatment and or removal?? Furthermore how frequent would these visits be?? In answer farily frequent based on my experience of the two dogs that own me.

Anybody who knows me via this and the UKBD forum will know that I strive to learn more about the breed everyday. Conversley my dogs teach me something new on a regular basis. I always have and always will put my dogs health first and will always do what is best for them as opposed to me.

With time we will all get used to seeing Boxers and other breeds that were traditonally docked with a long wagging tail. Yes, I still look twice when I see a boxer with a tail, but you know what, it may look different but it's still a boxer, mad as a hatter, clown of the dog world but with the added benefit that other breeds of dog can "read" it's intention as opposed to being wary!

The above are my thoughts, hopefully I have presented them in a susinct manner which does not offend anyone. I am not in the habit of picking fights or attempting to rub anyone up the wrong way.

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I had never sen a Boxer with a tail except for Pics untill we had the pups..I was sat here this morning watching Rio and his little tail was swishing back and forth ,while he sat on the floor.It was lovely to see and its great cos i knew he was happy..So definitely a fan of tails here.

Dew Claws.I asked the vet about these and he said they didnt need to have them removed.Both Lucy and Tyler have theirs and upto now have had no problems.



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Well done Paul, you have said all i wanted to say without putting your head up your bum first (like i did)!

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