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whitewilsom
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I know someone here can help, well at least understand the probs we are having with wilson. I should say we call him Noodle too, its a bit of a nickname!
Just got back and had another disastrous walk with him! Wilson is not very good on the lead, and we tried in the past using a halti lead, round the shouders, a mouth muzzle and half choker chain and still its no good! When he sees another dog I literally have to drag him away as recently his behaviour has taken to him lying down on the ground infront of the other dog and growling! He doesnt really heal and walks are not pleasurable because of this, I spend most the time shouting at him.
Up to a couple months ago we used to take him to the local fields, let him of the lead and run round. Until a nasty dog walker got upset and hit him with a stick because he was jumping all over her dog. She called him out of control becasue he would not come back to us! He just wanted to play!
Anyway I have not done him any good because am so afraid of taking him to the fields again incase we cant get him back again. I need some advice please. He gets to run round in the garden and release his energy and has daily walks but i want to do more with him. (we live in countryside surrounded by field but this one person has totally put me off!) Any ideas? How did you all get on teaching your babes to heal and walk nice?? I am scared that he wont get on with other dogs when he is of the lead, because it has been so long?
Hope someone can help me..... :crying:

  
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I really wouldn't worry to much, these problems are part of owning a Boxer. That person must've not understood. I have traumatic walklks too especially when Gixer sees other dogs or children as he just wants to play. He can walk at heel but prefers to pull! I find a sharp tug of his slip lead and a firm no. leave it works well followed by lots of praise. Maybe socialisation/obediance classes will help, they did for us. You don't say how old Wilson is? Is hius growling play or "for real" if it's real perhaps socialisation is a good idea? Don't know what anyone else thinks?



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How old is he?

have you thought about maybe taking him to obedience & socialisation classes?



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whitewilsom
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Hi, yes we took him to socialisation classes for an 8 week course, by the end he was sitting beside me, doing all the recalls, sit, lie down etc. We have even taught him to give his left and right paw. He just turned 2 in June. When we regularly took him to the field and let him run, he knew all the other dogs up there and would be gone for ages playing. I dont know if it play or for real when he growls. To be honest Wilson is my first dog ever and so I really am still learning alot.
I have tried styopping the walk and making him sit, then carrying on. He just keeps pulling and then when he is totally knackered, tongue out the mouth job is the time he heals properly! We say Heal to him and follow it on with praise but he just pulls again. We even saw a local boxer trainer who really did not help that much. Maybe we should try the halti again now he is bigger perhaps I dont know? Thw woman who hit wilson with the stick was an owner of a very small dog, and she tends to pick her dog up as soon as she sees other dogs, which inflames the situation. Most dog owners have problems with her but they persist. :crying: My thumb is stil numb from having the lead pulled so much! :nonono:

  
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Yup, that was what I was going to say too.

Sounds like Wilson needs to learn the rules and you need to learn how to teach him them :thumbs:

Not only will obedience classes help him, they will give you more confidence when you are out with him. Also, they are great for socialisation, teaching him that other dogs aren't really anything to get that excited about.

He is only two, so there is plenty of time to teach him. I took Sasha last year and we got up to KC Silver before I gave in because I didn't have time or energy anymore.

Give it a try :luck:



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whitewilsom
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:crying: OK so there is hope out there then! It's hard to see light at the end of the tunnel I just thought it might be to late for him.
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Going to surf the net now for a local class, I think it would be best for that trainer to be familiar with boxers! Its tough when people assume boxers are like other dogs, their definately not! He's sulking now in the bedroom! Poor baby!

  
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Fab! I just phoned local obedience training and explained the situation to them. They said they can def help and its not one of those 8 week courses Just a pay per week you go! sounds ideal and very local too. So thankyou for suggesting it! Roll on a week next Tuesday! :banana:

  
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good luck!! hope all goes well at the classes, im sure you will really enjoy them, and wilson too!



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Well done you for taking the step!! Good luck :luck:



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Good Luck with the classes.:luck:



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Not only does Wilson look like my Zeb it sounds like he acts like him :smile:



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we are new to the site but mascie(ie the muppet) was totally wild on the lead and far to strong for the kids or myself to handle I got in touch with the white stuff as a way off getting help today I am pleased to say after a week on the haltie and alot of hassle my son jack whos 6 finally walked our dog he was so chuffed it brought a tear to my eye we have enrolled in classes and have booked in to have the muppets bits removed i even trustsd her off the lead today she came back just but i think she will still have her nasty dog rep for a while stick at it we have been doing things for two weeks and she is not thick stupid or mad and its a relief good luck

  
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Daz was a monster like that too when he was very young. As he grew, he could pull me along to where ever he wanted to go, and he would bounce in the face of and swing punches at any dog we met. It sometimes got very embarrassing when we met the lady from across the road, she had a young, large, male Staffie, that could pull her along too. Proudest moment, from the other side of the street, we walked straight past them with only a glance over, and the Staffie was still going nuts dragging his mum onto the road.
My partner walks Daz a lot, easily 30 miles a week. Don't know what or how he did it, but Daz does not pull on the lead or freak out any dog we meet anymore. From 15 month old or so, he has been a pleasure to walk.
Itís funny what he does now upon meeting other dogs, dogs he knows he will go play with. Dogs he does not know, he will sit down, chest and tummy on the ground, let the other dog come right up to him, then, boing, he is right in their face, and trying to get his head over their front shoulder. Certain dogs, usually large males, he will stand right in front of me, point toward the dog and pull a show stopping pose, itís so cute. I should have called him Frankie Abbott. Mummies little soldier.
Another ritual would be, after passing a dog, 10 to 15 yards on, he will go lift his leg on something, whilst looking at the other dog, who is doing the exactly the same back. This must be a boy thing.





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Boxacrazy
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Training classes are excellent as they help train you the handler and the dog.
A good trainer is worth their weight in gold!

You mention about the other walker having a hissy fit
about your boy jumping all over her dog. Saying your boy was out of control.
Technically she is correct.
Another point to remember is that not all dogs have had good experiences out on walks. Some may be kept on leads for a reason. (I put all mine back on leads as a matter of courtesey). They may have been attacked by other dogs and find loose dogs that rush up to them intimidating etc. It may also put the owners hard work on trying to resocialise them back to square one.
So although your dog may be friendly - the other dog might not be (and for valid reasons etc).

Head Collars, there are a variety on the market.
Some people have had really good results with one called the canny collar. There are also figure of 8 headcollars.
I've also used halti's/dog halter/Gentle leader, if you've got a dog with a very short nose - halti's etc will ride up near their eyes and rub. The canny collar I think is one that doesn't. I use a leather figure of 8 headcollar on my oldest girl who has a short nose. Although she doesn't like it she doesn't fight it too often.

Good luck and keep going to the training classes as it
will also help with your confidence.

  
Boxacrazy
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Also forgot to mention if your dogs recall isn't too wonderful.
Put him on a long lead (horses lungeing rein may be cheaper to buy).
The lead is I think 9-25 metres long.
So you can let the lead out so he can play but reel him back in (whilst using the command for him to recall to you, normally it's the word come), make loads of fuss and give him a really tasty treat.
Never ever tell him off/smack when he doesn't recall.
As all you are doing is re-inforceing that the recall is an
unpleasant command. You want to practise lots in your own garden, crouching down with arms outstretched, call his name and 'come' but in a high pitched squeaky happy voice (if that makes sense). This normally works for a recall. Treat with his favourite treat or toy.

Then slowly progress to off lead in the wide open fields.
But that's why the lungeing rein is helpful when you've moved from your garden with no distractions to the park with loads of distractions. As he's still on a lead you've still got him under control and can make him recall by winding the long lead in and calling his name and come in a squeaky silly voice..

Good luck with practise and more practise you'll soon have a well behaved dog.

  
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Kai is still at the age where he's easily bribed so when we bump into other dogs or kids on our walk I either start squeaking his squeaky toy or I offer him a wee tit bit. It works well but we're going to start attending obediance classes soon.

  
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ziggy one was a handful to start, we had a thick rope lead and an ordinary leather collar, he used to pull like a train and never seemed to tire out. then mike at oscars said to try the gentle leader, and we never looked back, he walked to heel, sat at the roadside and was genrally very well behaved, as soon as we took it of he turned into a mental case though, we soon learnt not to take it off until we were home again. we had the problem of calling him back as he was deaf, so we got a 25 metre length of rope, and used that on the beach, so we could still control him and let him run on. at night i trained to look out for my torch and i found that he would always come back to 3 flashes. i must have been really lucky. as a result of this i will train ziggy 2 the same way, and walk him on a gentle leader.



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None of us have felt brave enough to let Bruiser run off lead.He has a horse lunge lead though and this is very long,so atleast he can have good runs.
Lucy and Tyler have harnesses for long walks and normal collar and leads for short walks.Also depends on who is walking them.



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keasha is really good with other dogs, but i still have problems with her pulling my arm out of its socket and jumping up on people walking past. i have just bought her a new harness at pets at home which they say will stop any dog from pulling and i have used it for the last 2 days, and i have to admit i think she is a bit better but you have to connect a lead onto the ring on her back and another at the front of her neck so using 2 leads is something to get used to, we are getting there eventually but i think it will be a while yet:waa:

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Kymie - where have you got booked in for dog class? Heskey could do with joining!

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Hi we are going to the vets at Dalston they seem quite good we have just joined them as last vets were crap will let you know more details later

  
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Don't know if this helps but it is a general overview for training a deaf boxer to recall but pretty much the same rules apply to both hearing and deaf dogs.

You need to consider what the dog is thinking and not have a set routine when walking them........... sounds like the opposite of what they need for home life but hopefully the copy of a reply I made some time ago will shed some light on where I am coming from.

"As far as off the lead exercise is concerned your deaf boxer is a little different to a hearing boxer and you need to consider the following first:-

1. have Kia and you undertaken / attended any training classes?
2. Is Kia receptive to treats (biscuits, sausage, cheese etc etc)?
3. Is their an area near to you that is enclosed, fenced?
4. If yes to No3, is it away from busy roads?
5. Does Kia like balls, squeaky toys?
6. Do you have an extender lead?
7. Are you confident and feeling brave?

Lots more questions but the above are starters and basics.

I would highly recommend attending a local dog training class if you have not already. It is well worth it as your dog will learn that obedience training is fun and delivers rewards, more importantly you will have increased confidence in your ability and the fact that kia will and does respond to your commands (hand signals).

You can buy "signing" books for dogs, these have universally recognised hand signals for deaf dogs, a good traning class will more than likely have a trainer that knows the basics but it is up to you to learn them and more importantly get Kia to recognise them and react accordingly to them.

As an example Tash understands the signs we use which include - sit, stay, leave, fetch, down, away etc etc. She will also give her paw and other such cute little things that our babies do. Training a deaf dog is hard work, very hardwork but as you are probably well aware they pay you back ten fold if you put the effort in.

Don't listen to anybody who says you cannot train a deaf dog, with patience, lots of love, time and devotion Kia is more than capable of getting her bronze, silver and gold good citizen awards from the kennel club!! Tash got her bronze and silver, unfortunately we never got round to the gold but we still take time out to keep her upto speed.

Back to your main question, can I walk my deaf boxer off lead? The answer is yes, yes and yes.

However as already covered ensure you have attended training classes and Kia understands your hand signals. I would start in a small enclosed area, park, field, Try and go when nobody else is likely to be about this will ensure Kia is less likely to be distracted during her introduction to off lead exercise.

Start off with keeping Kia calm, try not to let her go hyper, put her into the sit position. Now make sure you have her favourite extra special treats and her favourite toy (keep the toy in your pocket for now).

Use the stay command and walk backwards 5 paces maintaining eye contact, recall her whilst showing her the treat, when she comes to you make her sit and give her the treat, make a fuss of her.

Now repeat this exercise again abut 5 times and continue to on a daily basis.

Next show her and let her sniff the treat but don't let her have it, now start walking and keep her on your right hand side, let her sniff the treat and keep walking, then stop and make her sit - give her the treat and make a fuss of her. Again repeat this about 5 times.

Now hopefully she is responding to this and getting the idea that good behaviour gets rewards.

Now produce her favourite toy and put the treats in your pocket, whilst keeping a firm grip on the toy get her to start playing with it tug of war style, get her attention fixed on the toy!

Now throw it a short distance away from you and then use the recall command, if she brings it back reward her with a treat. Now throw it further away, again recall her, now keep doing this, keep her engaged with you.

You may not be able to do this overnight it may take a few days before you are confident enough to do so. Once you are confident that she will come back to you when off lead take her to a larger space, obviously check for livestock, children, other dogs etc first. Do you have a large park near by?? Try the off lead exercises in the large park / field and then start with the toy throwing it further and further away, recall her each time and reward for good behaviour.

After a good few sessions down the park your confidence should be growing and you should be able to let her have a few minutes "free time" let her have a sniff about, recall her and reward again, build up the time she has to roam a little bit each day.

If she will not recall ensure your are in her field of vision and use the recall command again, if she will not recall again ensure she can see you and walk in the opposite direction to Kia, she should follow you, once she does start approaching you kneel and or crouch down and make her sit and stay.

Forgot to mention that during training and exercise get Kia used to you putting the lead back on throughout her walk / exercise, this way when you do want to go home putting the lead on will not signal "the end of the walk", many dogs do not recall because they see their owner waving a lead around and think to temselves "yeah right, I'm enjoying myself, no way am I going on that lead"!!!! If your dog thinks "well thats fine because Mum will let me back off soon", you are keeping her guessing as opposed to sticking to a fixed routine that she will soon figure out.

All the above takes time and I do not doubt you will have the odd moment of frustration or panic, remember stay calm, your dog will pick up on your vibes, just take your time and stick with it. Do you know anybody else with a well trained dog?? If so go down the park with them and let kia have some interaction with another dog off lead in a "safe" environment.

I would not under any circumstances recommend walking any dog off lead in resedential areas or near to a road, you never know what might catch their eye and they could easily be run down by a car. Once you have found a few places you are happy with stick with them. If you and Kia go on holiday keep her on lead until you have had chance to check out the area, again is it secure, are their any major roads near by, is their deep water, cliff edges etc etc that you need to be aware of???

One last thing always watch what Kia is doing, try and stay in her field of vision, if she is having a good sniff somewhere just stop near by and wait for her, if you don't she may panic and you don't have the benefit of being able to whistle or shout to get her attention.

Tash has lost sight of me once, thankfully we were on our usual walk and she just went home

The above are basics, if I can be of any further help or you have any questions just shout."


Sorry, I am being a bit lazy not removing names and personalising it to you specifically but their has been lot's of great advice already so my reply covers some old ground.



Kind regards and good luck

Paul

  

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