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jacquie
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I know we talked about this a while ago but I thought I would chat about it again.
In Scotland a white boxer is between 250 and 300, Brindle or Red's are about 500 to 700 depending on the breeder.
I was amazed a couple of weeks ago to find out about a breeder who was charging 1000 fo reds! If you went that day and picked one, paid cash, he would knock 50 off! and he was advertising in the paper!!!!
I get really angry when breeders say "there's no money in breeding". Who are they kidding?
The only time a breeder is interested in takeing a dog back is if it is young enough to breed from and a bitch!
When you got your dogs, how many breeders asked you for a vet refrence or did a home check? Did any of them do a follow up visit, where possible?
I can answer NO to all of the above. That's what makes me so angry. We had a lady on the phone wanting to rehome her dog (the one that Elaine and Rob are getting) She actually asked "did we know how big these dogs got" what on earth was the breeder thinking about?
OK I'm getting off my soap box now:jump:



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Tash was 150 and Molly 350 that was 4 and 5 years ago respectively. The going rate for coloured boxers seems to be between 450 and 600 in South Wales, whites vary dependant on how stupid you are ie: if you are to believe some breeders thay are rare siberian boxers at 500 - 600 but the norm seems to be around 250 - 300!!

We saw a young couple the other day with a white boxer pup whilst out with ours and they had paid 500!!! for their white and were amazed we had one as the breeder told them they were very rare!! Obviously the breeder had noticed they were young, gullable, had no knowledge of the breed and that they were sharing a brain cell between them!!

Needless to say I put them straight on a few points and explained a little of the breed history and the reason that you do not see that many is because of culling and genetics / breed standard and that in the KC breed standard white is frowned upon.

They were a little gob smacked when we told them how much we paid for Tash - and even more suprised that boxers need walking twice a day on a very long walk, their faces drained with coulour at the thought of walking theirs in wind rain or snow for at least an hour once mature.

Do you think the breeder (rip off atrist) had told them not to over exercise their pup - no, so explained the 5mins * months old heory and that they should not over do it otherwise they could damage a young dogs bones, joints etc.

How in Gods name does somebody go out and buy a dog from a "reputable" breeder when obviously they have no knowledge of the breed what so ever? Oh yes I remember now all breeders are doing it for the love of it and non of them are in it for the money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRR - Me thinks not some how.

I feel really sorry for the couple we met, they obviously have no idea what they have let themselves in for and furthermore the poor dog is with owners who are ill equiped to cope with it's needs.

When we first looked at buying a boxer we read several books on the breed, visited and discussed the breed with our family vet and then spoke to owners and breeders before taking the plunge - surely that is an absolute minimum before you even consider the implications of care whilst on holiday or adapt holidays to the uk as we now do and also the exercise requirements. People may think I am mad walking our two late at night for at least 1 and 1/2 hours but at least they are fit, happy and healthy!

I'm really wound up about this so I am going to go and chill in a corner somewhere.

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I dont think I have heard you get so wound up before Paul!! I can see your point though - that poor couple have no idea and the "breeder" definitely saw them coming.

People see a boxer and think it's just another type of dog and that they are buying a labrador with a squished nose or something. When Sasha is doing her hyper bit in the playground because she is surrounded by kids and is in "just the best place ever ever and oh mummy isn't this just so much fun, look mummy can I kiss them and hug them and play with them and jump on them" mode - I have to point out that she is a boxer and this is what they do no matter what the age or training. You should see the looks I get!!

As for her price - she was "second hand" at 250 but around here I have seen them advertised for 500 and I think that's what her sister's owner paid for her. 1,000 - I am gobsmacked to say the least!!

My Dad paid 300 for his black lab - cheap as chips!

I got my first girl second hand from a family member and had no idea what to expect, luckily my ex did. When the vet met me for the first time with Sasha, her first question was to ask if I had had a boxer before. The relief on her face was obvious when I said yes - as Sasha was clearing the cobwebs off the ceiling at the time!!

Boxers seem to have become fashionable which I find worrying. I hate to think that a boxer is being bought because it looks "trendy" in the street.

How many of these "breeders" are reputable or how many are trying to recoup their costs? My neighbour has a red bitch and is refusing to have her speyed because she thinks it's only fair to "let her have a litter of pups" and wont it be fun. I have to bite my tongue rather hard!!!!

Hhmmmmm does this mean we have built a soap box in here now??

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Yip, sorry for that but it gets me going. We had 3 dogs over 2 days last week, nearly 4 but the cat and dog home wanted to rehome the one they had picked up. When we phoned they said that they needed the money. We offered to pay for it so we could get it a "boxer home" but again they wouldn't let us have it.

People come up with all kinds of exuses why they want to rehome a dog. At least Karrigan's owner was truthfull. She couldn't cope and didn't know he would get so big!

My first white boxer was Tango, she was a hole 50 that was 16 years ago. Blue was my second white, he was 200 two years ago. My friend went to the same breeder 6 months later and paid 250, I was told this is now 300.
I honestly wish there were breeders who actually followed up on there dogs and did home checks or vet checks! No they just want there money!

I agree for some reason boxers are getting more popular, not a bad thing in the right hands. A bit like a firework. but these poor people that buy this cute wee pup with the scrunched up nose and dont know anything about them. Oh well,



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we considered a puppy before Jacquie found us Heskey, reds were about 600 and whites were selling for about 400. My next task is to find a boxer with a tail (no Jacquie im not looking for one right now!!!!). Just glad we made the right choice.

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Karen I am usually a very patient and calm person but as the old saying goes if something is close to my heart I am like a dog with a bone / bear with a sore head.

I hate to see anybody / any animal put in a situation beyond their controll or understanding I'm afraid I sometimes push my nose in where it is not wanted but often people can see I am only trying to help.

I can't get over the prices people are paying for boxers / dogs but then again lokk what we will pay for houses - where their is a demand people will ask an inflated price and if the general public are willing to pay it then breeders will just keep increasing prices - not that they are in it for the money.

I know not all breeders are in it purely for money but unfortunately their are far to many making a handsome profit and not doing the required checks.

As Jacquie says though - Ah well - and shes right what can we do? It has been going on far to long and nobody polices the industry and only a small minority of owners really do their research, you only have to visit Jacquie's rescue site to see that. Sorry everybody else involved I know Jacquie does not solely run scottish boxer but you know where I am coming from. You guys have rehomed so many dogs since January it beggars belief, more importantly it reflects the industry in general and the fact people are being miss sold dogs.

Must stop now as I do not want to upset any responsible breeders, as I have already mentioned I know their are many good / reputable breeders out their.

Like the one about the firework Jacquie - you hit the bulls eye with that analogy.

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Well I wont get on my soapbox cos I wouldnt get off it - eh Paul!!! Anyone that read my "ode/poem" on another site will know what I mean.

Over here where I am [Nth Ireland] the price for white puppies is 100. That is standard. There is still a large degree of whites being looked down at as not being "proper" boxers and very few know of their existence never mind seen one. Katiehas caused a stir on more than one occasion. They look at Rosie and then back to her, then Rosie and then..... It dawns on them that Katie is a Boxer albeit a white one.

Coloureds - average 250 - 350. This is your average breeder. Show breeders charge a lot more. 400 upwards to around 500

Breeders, I cannot complain about Katies. When we thought that Katie might need a very expensive bit of surgery [4 figures] he bent over backwards and even consulted a Boxer specialist Vet on our behalf and put us in touch with him. If necessary he would have offered out monetary value as well. You might expect that from a puppy you paid hundreds for but for a little white pup, I thought it showed a lot of care fow what he was doing.

He only breeds from his bitches once and that is to get a pup to run on to show himself. All his pups were pre-booked and all by word of mouth from fellow show exhibitors. If we had not been recommended we would not have got a pup from him.

He emphasied time and time again that if there was any problems we were to take the pup back to him. Okay maybe he is one of the better ones but they do exist.

Rosie's breeder - ah well that is a different story. We got her at 10 weeks old from Boxer rescue. If asnyone tells you that a puppy cant be traumatised at 10 weeks they are very very wrong. It took months of TLC and much hard work to stroke her when sleeping with one finger without her jerking wide awake and leap up startled and looking round her in fear. She had been in one home for 3 weeks. Ive never seen such a skinny bony Boxer puppy in my life and hope never to do so again. She is the love of our life and someone elses rejection is very much our gain.

When her previous owner contacted the breeder he refused to take her back and told them to think of the pup as being future money in the bank ie - bitch - breed from her. Pup ended up in a kill shelter at 10 weeks. They contacted Boxer rescue and rest is history.

I dont think it is a good idea that the Boxer is so popular. They are a beautiful breed but not the breed for everyone. An exuberent tiny puppy is very much different when at 14 months he/she is still exhuberent. So many end up in rescue between 12-18 months. Al they are doing is being a "Boxer" but how many breeders try to explain to people just what they are taking on as opposed to just handing over the pup and getting the cash/cheque in hand. Anyone I have helped who has been having problems with a young Boxer was rarely asked if they knew anything about the breed never mind any backup.

Few months back I had a lady contact me. Their 10 month old was "aggressive" and would not let them into their own garden. Kept leaping up and "attacking" them. I was intrigued to say the least. He was a lovely dog, big bouncy boy. In actual fact he was being a big bouncy Boxer and wanting to play. His "aggression" was barking and leaping up and down. When they shouted, he thought "Oh yea, they are shouting too" they didnt realise they were making him worse. The husband was a bit of a doser but the lady owner was great. She was willing to learn and go right back to basics. Dog hadnt really had any form of basic training but responded so well. He was a clever boy and soon learned what was required of him.

It really makes me so mad and sad at the same time. Such a lovely breed.

Oh well, I will get off my soapbox cos I promised I wouldnt get on it...........:roundnround:

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Well there you are then, most of the dogs we get in are beetween 12 and 24 months, normally about the 14 month stage.
To me that say's it all!
If you couldn't drive would you buy a car? If you dont know a breed why buy it!



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Glad it's not just me that gets wound up about it all, like the one about the car Jacquie - couldn't of put it better myself.

I laughed at you story about the couple with the aggressive male Helen - truly a couple that knew little about the breed!Glad the breeder you got Katie from was one of the better ones and I can't believe how cheap boxers are over there.

Can some body help Molly keeps whoo whhooo whhooing at me does that mean she will attack ha ha ha, or that she is just "boxer talking" to me. What a breed! what other breed of dog do you know of that whhooo wwhhhoooo at you when they want a fuss or to play.

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NONE!
You saying that brings my Mum's friend to mind. They came over to visit, I was showing my Mum some of Blue's latest work with re arrangeing my flowers in the back garden. When we came back in her friend was looking really afraid. Blue was sitting at her feet. She said "that dog of yours was going to attack me" I'm off! When I asked what she ment it turned out Blue had been "talking to her". I shouldn't have, but I laughed. I explained all he wanted was for her to make a fuss on him.
Now she talks about my clever dog that talks, and tells people that he is a reall charector. (which he is)



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Now i'm laughing - big bad boxers. If only people knew how soft they are, they truly are misunderstood!!

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Sasha has just been to the vet. Of course the only reason why anyone else would walk in the vets office is to see her - so as you rightly put it Paul, she woohhooooo everybody and everything!

She was naughty this morning and I had to tell her off - she sat there and huffed and puffed and grumped at me - just like a grumpy teenager or toddler. They are sooo funny and sooo misunderstood!!

It seems we all get a little worked up and over protective of this special breed - hopefully there are enough of us in this world help make sure that boxers are cared for by the right people!

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When Kirei had her pups we had three pure whites, a white with brindle patch on his ear and four brindle / reds

Some of them were pre booked - which was our reason for breeding, one of them went to a friend because he was partly deaf but for the others we charged 400 each which was what we paid for Tia and Kirei four years ago.

The 400 price applied to all of them regardless of colour and i found we had no trouble selling the white ones for that price. We actually had several people phone up asking for whites.

I am suprised at how cheap they are in some areas. We didn't kennel club register ours so that is why we charged 400 but if you look in our local papers and local Loot they go for anything between 400 and 600 in London.

We thought 400 was a reasonable price considering we had them innoculated and microchipped and when we considered the extra food for mum and also for them once they were on solids we hardly made any profit. Also we allow the pups to 'take over' our lives for the eight weeks that they are with us, we arrange time off work around them and set up a puppy run in our living room.
I feel this is the best start you can give a puppy as they are so used to being around humans and will be well socialised by the time they leave. So much better than a puppy farm or in someones shed!!

Also i get to sit and stare at all these gorgeous little bundles all day long!!!!

We are planning on breeding Tia once more when she next comes into season as we have several people who want pups - three of them friends of one of the people who had a white pup from Kirei's litter. They are so impressed with the temperament of him that they have already offered to pay deposits!!! We havent even bred her yet!!!

Obviously it would be dependant on certain situations like living arrangements, previous dog ownership etc as we would not let just anyone take them. Our pups only go to people who we believe are capable of giving them that forever home. We start advertising them at four to five weeks old so that we have plenty of time to find good homes for them all.

And so far that has worked out well . Tia and Kirei have both had one litter each of nine pups and all of them are still with the people who bought them from us.
We have kept in touch most of them and send birthday and christmas cards to the dogs from our dogs. Just to remind them that we are there if they need us!!!

I think the whites are worth equal to the coloured ones and am suprised that so many people charge less for them.

Tia was a brilliant mum and i think she is looking forward to doing it again as she kept trying to take over from Kirei last year. After this though we are going to get them spayed as with Henry Monster around we wouldn't want any 'accidents'!!!!!


Caroline, Tia, Kirei and Henry Monster xxxx



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All I can say is I wish everyone that bread were like you but unfortuanatly they arn't. That's why we have so many dogs coming our way. Were waiting for the Christmas backlash at the moment!



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Jacqui - your saying about eh Christmas backlash. We had a pup [just rehomed last week in fact] - not a Boxer being fostered. Little black lab boy. He had been found straying. Family had taken him in but their older dog kept attacking the pup so although they hated to part with him they knew it was a no/no. I went to pick him up and it was so sad as the kids were crying and the parents nearly as bad.

I took him straight to Joyce one of our fosterers. He was a very timid pup but petrified of men. Even her husband who is as soft as butter with the dogs. He [pup] would just bolt behind the sofa. Joyce is so particular about who she homes the dogs to. She fosters and vets the prospective owners if any she does foster. We began to think she had fallen for "Ben" and was going to keep him herself even if they already have 5 dogs. The longer they are fostered the harder it is to part with them.

Happily he has gone to a family with an older son still at home - in his early 20's who adore him. He is stil a bit timid but has come on in leaps and bounds.

Ben would have been a Christmas casualty.

I heard last week from my sister in law about a family that live near to her. They had had their Boxer for 7 years, they moved into a privately owned rented house who refused to take pets and they put the dog into rescue. I know its hard but if it had been me I would have moved heaven and earth to have kept my dog especially a 7 year old. How could they........

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I know what you mean about moving heaven and earth to keep your boxer. I would have been the same. If it had been me i would have looked for a different house that did allow dogs - although i know that can be quite difficult as most do not accept them. To me the dogs would have been more important than where i lived!!!

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I totally agree with you both. Even after only 2 1/2 years with Blue, if I had to move there is no way I would even consider a place if I couldn't take my dogs!

It's like people that split up, (the reason for re homeing) I'm sure if they really wanted to one of them could keep the dog. Would you re home a child? (well possibly if they were teenagers with hormones) LOL



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I think there would be fights over who was keeping the dogs in our house if we split up - I think all three should stay together so that means they would have to stay with me!!!!!!!!



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Forgive me for being cynical but I do sometimes wonder if all these people who use "splitting up" are really doing just that or is it just an excuse to use to pass their dog on to someone else.

What does everyone else think?

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I know exactly what you mean.

If they can manage a dog when they are together i don't understand how neither one of them can manage it on their own.

I agree that quite often it is probably just an excuse!!!!

How can anyone be like that though with a poor dog who can do nothing about it. Our dogs are our family and like Jacquie said you wouldn't rehome a child when the parents split up.

Caroline, Tia, Kirei and Henry Monster xxxx



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When my first husband and I split up, Katie came with me. There was never even a discussion about it - he got the car, the sky dish and the stereo and I got the kids, the furniture and the boxer!!

Katie was just like one of my children, so why wouldn't I have custody of her!!

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I'm sure as well it's just an exuse. O'h were splitting up so take my dog (what they are actually saying is, I had no idea what I was taking on when I bought a boxer and I cant cope!)
Take the couple that gave up Heskey, I have phoned them twice since getting him, once they were out for a meal and the second time away for the weekend! Yet they had split up! Dah I'm I stupid????
At the end of the day though at least these people do come to us instead of dumping there dogs in the cat and dog home or even worse on the street.



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