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KatieKate
10:29:04 Mon
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Kennel vs Cage

Hi,

I'm after some advice regarding leaving Snoop alone.

He is still not 100% house trianed, we had someone to help us but as he was nearly 5 months old when we got him and he had zero training, from house training to being on a lead, it has been a long hard struggle! He is also raiding bins and eating my sofas!

At the moment when we go out we have to spend about half and hour making sure everything is secure. He has full run of most of the house when we go out, we did try to limit him to the kitchen but he has learnt to open the doors! He seems better when all the doors are open.

We have now decided that we are going to have to get a Kennel or a Cage for him when we are out as everthing is getting wrecked. We dont know which is best.

If we get a cage we can leave him in the kitchen, but I am not sure if I am happy leaving him in one. The other option is creating a dog run at the top of the garden with a heated kennel, high fence and bark chips on the ground. But then again is it best to leave him outside!

I am sooooo confused at the moment and dont know what to do!

Any advice on the best?

cheers.!



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SashasMum
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I have never used a cage and never would unless the dogs life was in danger if it was left out of one.

Puppies grow up but if you put them in a cage then they never learn their boundaries.

Tizzy destroyed books, wood, pulled up carpet and ate a 80 pashmina - but she learnt and she doesn't do it now.

Sorry, that probably sounds harsh, but I bet no-one put their kids in a cage because they wrote on the walls when they were little!!



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WendyandDolly
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Hiya , Oh dear im sorry to hear your Snoop is eating your house ! we use a cage purely because we worry ours would eat something and choke or chew on a cable or something and electrocute themselves - yikes ! It seems every room in the house theres something they could get too no matter how hard we try to doggie proof it ! I will say though that they are only ever in them very rarely when we knoe we will be at leastwo hours - max time they have ever been left. popping out to shops or stuff like that i leave them laying in kitchen and just hope they dont eat the units !:lol: if yours has never used a crate you might have problems - some dont like it . my two couldnt care less they allways get atreat when they go in and when they come out and we allways leave the telly on for them - they quite like ONLY FOOLS AND HORSES :lol:

  
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keasha had a cage until she was about 1 i think :dunno: she is 2 now

the only reason she was in the cage was to protect our old cat who was 16 when we got keasha, we had 2 sadly get her put to sleep about a fortnight ago at the grand age of 18, Keasha has been really not to bad since we started giving her the run of the house..... or so we thought.

I put her into the kennels from fri-mon as we were taking the family to Alton Towers for the weekend for my eldests 18th birthday, when we arrived home on Sunday night our next door neighbour came to the door complaining that she barked at every passing car/cat/human/dog when we were out..... sometines constantly, depending on how busy the street is!!

We picked her up from the kennels on Monday morning, and the owner said she was a pleasure to keep..... the quietest dog he had in that weekend


:angelic: Im going to try keeping her out of the lounge and dining room when she is left as those windows look out to the front road and see if she improves..... if not i have the same problem Kennel/cage??

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bnsmith928
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I have never used a cage. We had the same problem with Tucker, he was four months old and had NO house training. We have made leaps and bounds but he still isn't 100% house broken. He rarely has accidents when we are home unless he is playing so much he forgets and then runs to the door at the last minute and we can't get there in time. We have a string of bells on our front door that he and Tyson ring when they want to go out. Sometimes Tucker just wants to go in and out all day. If you have to confine him I would go with the largest space possible. We ahve to confine Tucker right now. He stays in our heated 2-car garage (usually had one car in there with him but now have to back it out if he is in there because he was getting ON TOP of the vehicles) with lots of chew toys and food and water. This also gives Tyson a nice break. At 9 years old he just can't play all day like Tuck can. Everyone is right, your pup and Tucker will EVENTUALLY grow OUT of this stage but until then if you have to confine him I saw go with the kennel. They are very smart, they soon realize if they are good they can stay in :smile:

  
KatieKate
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Thanks you all for the advice, lots to think about. Snoop spent about 20 hours a day in a cage before we got him at 4 months old, I can't help but wander if this is why he is so destructive when we are out becuase of this, and also so hard to house train! He is never alone more than a few hours, if we are going out for the day he stays at our neighbours. We are going to hold off on the cage or kennel for a while and instead going to get a 'dog whisperer' in to see if we can get the toilet training sorted!!

I'll keep you posted.



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Katiesnowflake
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What age is Snoop now?


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Puppies grow up but if you put them in a cage then they never learn their boundaries.
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Cant agree with you Karen. As you know we had to crate train Harvey at 11 months as not only was he doing a lot of damage to the house but he was a danger to himself - finding things like batteries that we didnt know if he had eaten any or not and he was never ever left for any longer than 1 1/2 hours at any one time and usually much less.
He has two other dogs for company. I personally am not keen on crates but I acknowledge they have their uses.
A crate in a nice quiet corner with a blanket covering top, three sides, it is a sanctuary to an otherwise anxious dog. He/she will come to think of it as his own personal den and feel safe and secure in it. If he has been used to a crate, he may be missing the safe secure feeling he got when in one. You do have to acclimatise them to it, you cant just buy one, put the dog in it and lock the door. You have to get them used to going in and out, give tibits in the crate and only in it, put their bedding in and so on.
Also buy the biggest one you can afford. The one at my mothers is so big our 3 can go into it with room to spare.

When Harvey reached about 17 months I decided to wean him off it. Went out, door open put him in the crate and was out for about ten mins and so on, wean them off it the way your wean them into one. Did that over a series of about 4 weeks and wse never looked back Happiest day of my life when the crates were folded and put away:banana: I won't part with them tho... have done things like that before - they may come in useful at some stage at another time with another dog/pup.

First off if he has been used to a crate then it is doubtful you will have a problem if you got one. You can buy new ones from ebay very reasonably. The ones you get from the likes of Petsathome are really expensive. I know, I have one. I also have one I got for quarter the price off ebay and it is just as effective, in fact ours liked it better as it is bigger and they could all go into it. Crates always scared Katie for some reason but she was so curious when Harvey and Rosie went into them, curiosity got the better of her and I have photos of them all in the big one somewhere.

Here is a link on ebay that sells them, they even give advice if you scroll down to the bottom of the page about how to crate train. A word of caution, we bought Harvey lovely soft dog mats for the crates and he ripped them up so the best bedding is vetbed. You can get it a lot cheaper on ebay too.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Black-Metal-Dog-Puppy-Training-Cage-Crate-Carrier-48_W0QQitemZ120325312678QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Pet_Supplies_Dogs?hash=item120325312678&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1701%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1309


I personally would not kennel a dog outside. To many dogs being stolen these days - even in secure kennels I have heard of them being taken.

Regarding the house training, somewhere along the line he has got mixed messages. I would go right back to basics. Whatever word you use - we say "wee wees" - I would take him out into the garden every couple of hours and say "Snoop come, do your wee wees" and stay out with him until he does go. It is very impoortant that you stay out with him until he does do his biz. Act like you would a little pup, great excitment when he does something, give him a treat and tell him how wonderful he is. If he is soiling in the house, it is a form of anxiety and it is beter just to clear it up and ignore that he has done it.

Dfferent dogs differ in how long it takes for their bladder to develop and be able to "hold" onto it same as babies, no two babies are going to be nappy trained at same age.

Also as anyone involved with rescue will tell you - some Boxers don't kennel well. If he were mine I would try him with a crate first and see how it goes. Give it a set time, supposing he is 14 months old now, think to youself that when he is 22 months old, we will start to try and wean him off his crate, it never seems so bad then as thinking the crate is there for life.

We can go out now for upwards 3 hours and come back and Harvey has not touched a thing - oh my I shouldnt crow should I:thumbs: :thumbs:

Helen



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