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Katiesnowflake
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When I am at work the dogs stay at my parents. Quite recently the house at the back of mums was up for sale and sold to a couple with several young children. At the top of mums garden there is a hedge which is about 12 ft high, maybe more now plus of course a wire fence on our side of the hedge.

Well these past couple of days I have heard some of the children calling to Katie through the hedge. Although Rosie loves children / people she would be more standoffish. Katie runs to the top of the garden all excited and when she reaches the hedge the children scream at the top of their voices deliberately to frighten her which of course it does, she springs back, stubby tail tight against her bottom and races back down the garden. Of course this encourages the children to do it even more because of the reaction they are getting.

One of my worries is that at 10 months old Katie is at a very impressionable age, I dont want her to be afraid of children. The other thing that worries me that if she gains enough confidence to actually go to the hedge, will they start to poke things through at her. It could be a nasty enough situation.

I know other folk have had problems with these children as apparently they run willy nilly in the area - if they see something in someones garden, they just go in and "take it"

I could put up another fence at the top of the paving stones - three quarters of mums garden is paving stones and the top bit is grass with the greenhouse but the dogs just love to get up there to the bit of grass.

Any ideas anyone?

Helen

  
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You could run a 240v mains cable upto the fence so that when the children touch it - pow - they get a nasty wallop, only Joking please don't do this Helen, although by the sounds of it they are a real handful!!

I know what I would do but it depends your the disposable income you have and whether or not you have either family members or friends that would be prepared to help.

Basically I would put some fencing against the trees as I presume that they currently form the boundary between the two properties - get some 4 * 4" posts concrete them in at 2meter intervals and then either use slatted fence boards (which are cheap enough from timber merchants or B&Q) or you could go the whole hog and put up a nice fence using more 4 * 1" timber although this would cost more depending on the area / length to be fenced.

Height wise I suppose it depends on the height of the children, 4ft is probably adequate but as a complete and utter deterent I would recommend 6ft as it would put them off completely as not only would they not be able to see over it but they could not poke anything through it!! The down side to installing a fence against the trees is that they would need a lot of pruning to achieve a flush fit.

Worth bearing in mind is land disputes in the future - by putting the fence nearer to your parents home you need to be sure that on their deeds it clearly states where the boundary of each house is to avoid any future misunderstandings.

Other than that have you been round with Katie and Rosie and introduced them to the kids and tried the friendly approach sometiomes it works if they can see that the dogs are friendly and good fun to play nicely with rather than wind up. But by the sounds of it the kids would probably be fine whilst you were their but revert to their old ways within a couple of days!

A tough one by the sounds of it Helen, hope the above helps - alternatively you could install guard towers with snipers in each one!!

Good luck and I do hope you get it sorted one way or another.

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Poor Katie, it does sound like these children are going to affect her in some way if they are allowed to continue this behaviour!

I suppose having a quiet word with these children's parents is out of the question - or having an SSPCA (or equivalent in your part of the world) representative having a chat with them.

I am a firm believer in children being taught respect and, although wiring the fence to the mains or building the Berlin wall between you are all good options - they will find other ways if necessary if that is their want.

I had children who would deliberately wind Sasha up -but they were weaklings in comparision and a few dark looks soon sent them scurrying!

Is there anyway that someone could be there to watch what is happening and then just teaching Katie that there is no harm in it - desensitise her in some way? That way the children have lost their weapon, as you say Rosie doesnt react? Unless you could teach Rosie to give them a good telling off for upsetting Katie (which she may well do eventually!)

Alternatively, we all come over with our babies for a day and as soon as they scream we let all of them charge down the fence to find out what it is - how long do you think they would stay then???!!!!!

Good luck Helen and sorry I cant solve it for you - sounds really upsetting.



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Hi Helen

We had a similiar problem recently when we moved into our new house. Tia will bark at anyone she doesn't know, although she is a big coward if anyone gets too close.

We have children on either side of us who do not have any dogs so immediately we moved in they were fascinated by these three big dogs who loved to stick their noses through the fence.

One of the chidren on one side would look out of his bedroom window and call the dogs to wind them up, he also through a few bits and pieces over the fence which were not exactly suitable dog toys.

We just got talking to him one day in the garden and explained that when he calls the dogs and they cant see him it upsets them and told him that if he wanted to be friends with them he should talk to them through the fence in the garden. This worked really well as he took our advice and now he has them all sitting, laying down, rolling over for him etc.

We also explained that some of the things he threw over the fence for them could hurt them or make them ill. We told him that he could give them things as long as he asked us first which he now does.

They have become the best of friends and Tia no longer barks at him.

Obviously it depends on the children but i think a lot of the time it is because the children have never had dogs of their own and don't really understand them.

If i was you i would try to spend some time in the garden with the dogs when the children are there - if you can make friends of the children they should be a lot more friendly towards the dogs. Spend some time talking to them, explain what upsets them etc...

If all else fails then i would do what Paul said and put up a big wooden fence at the end of the garden to prevent the children from being able to see the dogs.

Good luck

Caroline, Tia, Kirei and Henry Monster xxxx



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We have children next door to us, who are fine, the only thing I can think of is to put a fence between the hedge and where the dogs are, so they can`t actually get to the hedge, i understand what you mean by katie being impressionable, could you maybe talk to the parents, the electric fences sounds good to me- only kidding

  
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Apparently he [father] is very polite when anyone calls and says he will act on whatever but never does. Ignores all the complaints which are apparently a lot. Lets the kids run willy nilly all over the place - they go into foks gardens and take things as and how they please.

I too think anothr fence is the answer as children are drawn to dogs and especially puppies like pins to a magnet.

Helen

  
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Hi Helen

If you have tried talking to their father and got nowhere, then i think a fence is definately the way to go.

It will do the job immediately and permanently and you won't have to rely on anyone elses word.

It is a shame that it has had to come to that, but if it is affecting your babies personality etc then you have to do what is right by her.

Caroine, Tia, Kirei and Henry Monster xxxx



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maybe the father would take m ore notice of what his kids are doing if it were pointed out they are commiting a criminal act by going into other peoples gardens & taking stuff-theft, little twerps, the fence looks like the winner, pity you could`nt bill him the costs of getting one erected though

  
Katiesnowflake
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U r right Yvonne - pity we couldnt.

Worst news of all though is that the other side of mum's semi which was for let is being let to students again. Ive pleaded until I am blue in the face for them to move [parents] as the students make their life hell but the parents are too set in their ways to want to make a change now. Dad is 98% deaf so it does not annoy him anyway.

The students havent annoyed the dogs [touch wood] bar from throwing marmite sandwiches over the hedge or bits of spam [bet their parents would have a fit if they knew how their offspring were feeding themselves] for the dogs to eat.

We had really hoped that it would be a private person that would rent the house:sad:

Helen

  

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