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BoxerMad
08:58:10 Mon
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On Saturday night whilst i was out doing my sponsored moonwalk Tia had a fit. It only lasted about 2 minutes and afterwards she was very confused and her sight was very very poor. All the symptons were exactly the same as one of Brendans mums boxers who was diagnosed with epilepsy about 6 months ago.

Brendan was at home with her at the time and he said he didn't know whether to phone me and let me know as i had a 26 mile walk ahead of me, In the end he decided to call me and i am glad he did ( i probably would have had a go at him if he hadn't let me know straight away).

She had a further two fits that night - all spaced 4 hours apart and all lasting about two minutes. I got home about 10.00am and within 10 minutes she had another fit. (Four in total in 13 hours). I only saw the last one but she was so confused afterwards that she was walking into walls and could hardly see a thing. For about two and a half hours after she would not settle down and just kept wandering around, but finally settled down and slept very deeply for about four hours until Brendan came home from work.

We phoned the emergency vet and because she already had an appointment booked for this evening for her annual booster injection he said to keep that appointment and to talk to our own vet then. The symptoms do sound exactly like epilepsy and we can arrange for some tests to be done.

I hope i am not jinxing this by saying it but luckily she hasn't had any more fits since 10.00am yesterday morning. I spoke to Brendans mum yesterday afternoon and she said that the pupils are always a sign of a fit - if they are uneven in size and also the redness around the eyes disapears and it goes very white. This is exactly what happened to Tias eyes.

We are really hoping that it is not something more serious. Kaspa (brendans mums boxer) has just been given some new medication and it has stopped his fits altogether.

I will let you know how we get on at the vets tonight.



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It is very scary when they fit Caroline! My last girl had epilespy from the age of about 5. The first time it happened she was walking into the kitchen and ended up sliding along a wall as she fell to the floor! She used to fit for about 10 mins and then sleep for a day at least. We always found we could tell when a fit was coming as she would start acting strangely - wouldn't sit down etc, she would just stand and start "chomping" and licking her mouth etc.

She continued to fit throughout her life but, luckily, they were never less than 6 or so months apart so we decided not to medicate. As she got older we found that any kind of stress around her would kick off a fit - eg if we moved the furniture etc.

I hope you get some positive news from the vets but I would like to give you some hope in that, even with epilepsy, my last girl lived until she was 12 years old and it was actually senile demensia that finished her off!

We never medicated her as the fits were so far apart, as we were advised that the medication could change her personality and make her feel grumpy and snappy all the time, whereas her fits made her feel crap once every six months.

How old is Tia Caroline?

Good luck at the vets today, I really hope Tia is ok now and feeling a little more settled.

  
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Hope all goes well at the vets Caroline, fingers crossed as Karen has said that is it is epilepsy that the fits are not frequent and that Tia and you all are able to cope OK.

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Thanks Karen & Paul - that makes me feel quite a lot better. Tia is five years old, just like your girl Karen. It was just such a shock to us as it came on so suddenly - with four fits so close together.

I realised that Tia was about to have a fit from the licking and chomping like you mentioned Karen as Brendan had already told me what had happended the last times.

Brendan had left for work about an hour before i got home and Tia was in bed. Kirei and Henry came running down the stairs as i came in but Tia stayed in bed - so i let them out the garden and went up to see Tia - she was really sleepy but got up when she saw me - we had a cuddle and then she went downstairs so i let her out too - they were outside for about five minutes and it was just after she came back in I was in the hallway and she was standing against the kitchen door - she started the chomping and then slid down the door onto the floor.

Tia seems fine now - you would never know that there was anything wrong with her. She is running around with the others and back to her usual self. I understand what you are saying about the medication Karen - i think if the fits were that far apart i would make the same decision.
Kaspa (Brendans mums boxer) had quite a few fits close together to start with and after that he was having them about once a week. I suppose we will just have to see how it has affected Tia and how many she has. There is always the possibility that this is not the first time it has happened as she could have had some in the past whilst we have been out at work.

I have stayed off work with her today - until we have seen the vet ( also gives me a chance to rest my feet)!!!



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We took Tia to the vets last night and he said it sounds like Epilepsy, however he is reluctant to start tests immediately as it can be a complete one off and may never happen again. Tia was fine before we went and also whilst we were there. He told us if she has another fit to take her back immediately and they will do some tests straight away.

However once we got home after a while she was really unsteady on her feet and couldn't seem to balance properly. She also fell down the last few stairs as she came down. So we shut her in the bedroom with us last night but she didn't seem much better this morning. We have both had to go to work today but we put a piece of wood across the stairs so they couldn't get up there and moved their bed downstairs. If she is still disorientated this afternoon i will call the vets again. She also had her annual booster injection yesterday so i don't know if that could have affected her, if her body had still not recovered properly from the fits. I will be leaving work at 2.30pm so if needs be i should be able to get her back in to see the vet this evening. I feel so bad for her because she is just not herself at the moment and i can't concentrate on my work as i am worrying about her.

I will let you all know how she is this afternoon / evening.



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Hope everything goes ok for Tia! Jake my last white boxer had epilepsy which started when he was about 4. Unfortunately his seizures became more frequent so we had to go down the medication route, though it took quite a while to find a medication that suited him and did what it was suppose to. One of the medications stopped the fits but weakened his backend so he walked like a sailor in high heels! He use to fit even with medication approximately every 21 days so we were always prepared, and tended to fit over three days and then be ok again. My vet said that his type of epilepsy was fairly uncommon and the majority of dogs respond well to treatment, so even if you do eventually have to go down that route, im sure it will be ok.

Jake had a good and happy life even on the days he had his seizures as was fine in between them. His tail still wagged and he still wanted out for his walks. It was more a case of us adjusting than him!

Let us know how things go, and if you need any support let me know.

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HOPE EVERYTHING GOES OK WITH TIA, KEEP US UP TO DATE WITH HOW THINGS ARE.

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Thanks for all your support.

When i got home Tia was a completely different dog - she was charging around with Henry - I havent seen her run like that for months, she was playing with her toys another thing she hasn't done much of lately. She still seems a bit unsteady on her legs at times and i saw her stumble a few times but what a difference to the night before. Maybe it was just a combination of the fits and her injection as although she did sleep for a while afterwards it wasn't really any longer than normal and her body probably needed to recover.

I was so happy to see the change in her last night and although she is still not quite herself with regards to her balance - she is soooooo much better than the night before.

I bought a gate to go across the stairs yesterday just to make sure she doesn't have any more accidents whilst we are out but i left for work this morning a much happier person!!!

We are still keeping a close eye on her and will take her straight back to the vets if anything changes but at least her recovery is going in the right direction now.:spinsmile:



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Excellent news Caroline, glad Tia is feeling a lot better.

The hardest thing about epilepsy is waiting for the next fit! I always felt that Katie only had to look at me the wrong way and I was expecting her to fit. As hard as it is, you have to try and relax with Tia a little and act as if everything is normal between fits - although a stair gate is a very good idea. I think dogs are a little different from humans though as they seem to have a build up to a fit - I know Katie never actually hurt herself in the process of having one.

One thing to remember, after a fit, try and let them out straight away if you can as they will normally wet themselves to some degree as all the body muscles relax - Katie sometimes wet herself during a fit, but most times we were able to get her out and let her have a wee in the garden straight after her fit. She would then lie down and sleep for hours, and I would watch her like a hawk!

Good to hear she is back to her normal self and playing around. You say she hasn't played like that in ages - perhaps she has been having some little fits that you don't know about and now she has had a "big" one, she is feeling better after it - if that makes sense!!

I am sure Henry will keep her amused and cheer her up! Give her big hugs from us and you had better give some to Henry and Kirei as well for looking after her so well!

  
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Thanks Karen

This site certainly helps put your mind at rest as the advice is coming from people who have experienced it first hand rather than just reading up on it from a book.

We had already thought about the fact that Tia could well have had fits previously that we had not known about. Looking back I would say it is over the past two - three months that she has really quietened down- we just put it down to the fact that she was getting a bit older and was finally out of her puppy stage ( at 5 years old)!!!!

Seeing her last night was amazing though - Like i said I havent seen her run like that for so long - she was running around with Henry - they were running from the front door through the living room, out to the garden, around the garden furniture and back in again and as we have got wooden flooring they were practically sliding the whole length of the hallway trying to stop themselves before doing it all again. It looked like they were having so much fun.

Brendan did say that where she is stumbling sometimes still it could be down to the fact that we had their nails clipped for the first time whilst we were at the vets as they were starting to get very long. Maybe it is just taking time for her to adjust???

Whatever it is i am so pleased with the progress she is making , but like i said we will continue to watch her to make sure that there is nothing else wrong.



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Glad to hear that things are coming back to normal for you all.

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