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Katiesnowflake  22:56:54 Tue Oct 5 2004 Offline 2202 posts Admin  Mood Now:  Reply |
Hi
As our baby is still in the nest and very young, we wont know for a while if she has full hearing or not. Has anyone any experience and if so are there anything we should be aware of if she is deaf. What training methods are used etc? Traditionally we have always used voice and hand signals so that the dogs could obey from a distance without use of a voice which does not always carry the right way in the wind! Any advice appreciated. RV's mum  |
SashasMum  11:26:22 Wed Oct 6 2004 Offline 4352 posts Admin  Mood Now:  Reply |
There are plenty of people on this site who have got deaf boxers, but its no more common in white boxers than it is in other colours. I would wait and see - even if she does turn out to be deaf, you will have plenty of time to prepare before she comes home. Is there a history of deafness in her lineage - is that the reason why you think she is likely to be deaf?
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AZBOXER 17:51:53 Wed Oct 6 2004 Offline 99 posts Boxer  Mood Now:  Reply |
Deaf boxers are wonderful I have one and love him.. www.deafdogs.org
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Katiesnowflake 00:39:07 Thu Oct 7 2004 Offline 2202 posts Admin Mood Now: Reply |
Hi Karen
Dont really know about her lineage, shes coming from a good reputable breeder. Im curious - see if I can cope if she is deaf and if anyone else has experienced any problems. Thanks |
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gingerboy 09:50:03 Fri Oct 8 2004 Offline 871 posts Boxer Maniac   Mood Now:  Reply |
HI RV's Mum
Tash our white is deaf. She was more difficult to train than Molly our brindle but now is more obedient than Molly. That said Molly is a great help with her, Molly will retreive Tash if she is facing away from us and is some distance away. Molly also taught Tash how to sit - believe me you had to be their to believe it. Molly would sit down next to Tash who would be stood up and then put her paw on Tash's back, Tash would then sit down!! Whilst Molly has been a great help with Tash the majority of the training is down to having a lot of patience and responding to problems in the correct manner. We found a really good KC registered obedience class near by which Tash attended for 12 months. The staff were brilliant and had experience of training deaf dogs which helped immensely. Toilet training took longer than it did with Molly but she got their eventually (8 months until she was house trained). I know that sounds like a life time but the last 4 months it would be the occasional accident rather than a daily occurence. It is important to remember that because the dog is deaf that unlike a hearing dog that will pick up on the tone of your voice and body language a deaf dog is only able to read body language / hand signals. This can be very frustrating in the early stages of puppy training but it is well worth sticking at it. As an example Molly would know that she was in the dog house if she had mis behaved just by the tone of our voice and would look all crest fallen - whereas Tash would not and could not see what the problem was. The answer is to visit as many related sites as poss and acquire as many books about training deaf dogs as you possibly can. This way you should then be able to pick out the methods that best suit you and your dog. It's no easy ride training a deaf dog but well worth it in the long run - Tash is fantastic and we would not be without her!!!!!!! Tash now responds to many hand / arm signals and movements and will sit, stay, give a paw, lie down, stop, heal whilst on and off the lead, fetch and return etc etc. She may be deaf but is certainly not stupid - she woofs at things if she wants to get your attention, this can range from open the door I need a wee to fill the water bowl up as Molly has emptied it. If you want to drop me an e-mail with any concerns please feel free to e-mail me on the following address:gingerboy@fsmail.net I don't personally know that many people with a deaf dog but the people I have met both via this site and in person have all said that life with a deaf dog is very rewarding. A deaf dog seems somehow to give that little extra something back and Tash is really affectionate and always happy to see us, thats not to say that Molly doesn't do that as well but their is something special about Tash, something different that you can't quite put your finger on.:spinsmile: We didn't know Tash was deaf when we got her but if anybody was to ask me if I would have another deaf white boxer I would not even hesitate - the answer would be YES!!!!!!  Good luck and feel free to drop me a line whether or not the new arrival is deaf. I'm sure that lots of the members of the site will be more than happy to drop you hints and tips if it does transpire that your new pup is deaf. All the best, Paul |
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Katiesnowflake 23:50:22 Tue Oct 12 2004 Offline 2202 posts Admin Mood Now: Reply |
Hi Paul
Thank you for your reply. I really appreciated it. Have looked at a few sites about deaf dogs and printed them out. House training is not one I would have thought of - problem I mean. Good to be aware of these things. Molly sounds fantastic showing Tash how to sit. Hope our little one follows her sister's example whether she is deaf or not. Wish I could have seen Molly showing her sister how to sit. My brother + his family have a staffie x pup and he is a real livewire, hyper isnt the word for this dog. He was being really annoying one day and I thought I would try the old trick of dropping a bunch of keys [noise/surprise]. He did stop and look round, swooped and grabbed the keys and away with them. Actually they dont bother much which they will rue one day - puppies like children need guidance. It is the waiting that is hard to bear! Ive been told that once pups are 3-4 weeks old you can tell if they can hear or not. Pups must be about 3 1/2 weeks now and we have not heard anything to the contrary so hopefully all is ok in that direction. I cant wait to see RV's reaction when she realises that "Katie" [favoured name for the pup] is not going to go home but stay with her. My brother's pup comes to visit and then goes home again. Thanks again RV's mum |
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gingerboy 15:46:00 Thu Oct 14 2004 Offline 871 posts Boxer Maniac Mood Now: Reply |
No problem - drop me a line any time if you need any more hints / tips.
The toilet training was only a problem because Molly could react to our tone of voice and knew she had done something wrong. The problem with Tash was that because I do not agree with using physical reinforcement of bad behaviour ie: slapping etc etc that you had to somehow communicate to Tash that she was meant to go to the toilet outside and not inside. Unfortunately you also have to be careful of your body language especially being my size. For example if Tash misbehaved and I used an agressive stance - shoulders back towering above her and pointing fingers etc at her she would always be afraid of me so it was a fine balance of letting her know she had done something wrong and also her not being afraid of me or any body else for that matter. If she does do something wrong we make her sit, I then crouch down so that I am not so much of a threat and then put my finger against her muzzle - she then knows that what she has done is wrong. The ultimate punishment for bad behaviour which we got off a web site is to completely ignore the offending dog and not to interact verbally or through eye contact - this is very difficult with boxers being such loving dogs but it really does work. We found it reallly hard at first but the results speak for themselves. Anyway enough from me wittering on, hope all goes well and we will keep counting down the weeks for you. Paul |
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Katiesnowflake 19:46:57 Sun Oct 17 2004 Offline 2202 posts Admin Mood Now: Reply |
Hi Everyone
We went and saw our baby today!!!!!! She is absolutely adorable. Yawned in my arms, whimpered, sucked my little finger and fell asleep. My mom was captivated. I had taken my digi camera [which I am hopeless with] and got their daughter to take pics for me. Once home we printed them out. She really is adorable. We hope to go out tomorrow and get her a lovely soft comfy bed. 3 weekends to go and she will be home!! Thanks everyone for your support/help/advice. |
Polo123  13:19:34 Mon Oct 18 2004 Offline 1568 posts Mod  Mood Now:  Reply |
I bet you can't wait :roundnround:You'll have to post one of the pics for us to drool over :spinsmile:
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patingall 16:59:46 Fri Jan 5 2007 Offline posts Reply |
hI I'm new to the site, I have a 11month old white deaf boxer, I was just wondering if you let yours of the lead! One vet told me to let her off, and another one not to, can you help!
THANKS Tricia.  |
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patingall 17:13:17 Fri Jan 5 2007 Offline posts Reply |
hi paul
can you help! my white deaf 11 month old boxer called Kia is wanting so much to run down to the lakes, with her buddie, Hickory a springer who is mad as a march hare, and play, However I'm a little confused what to do! One told me to let her off and the other one said not too! Regards Tricia  |
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gingerboy 00:54:43 Thu Jan 11 2007 Offline 871 posts Boxer Maniac Mood Now: Reply |
Hi Tricia
I have posted a reply in the other post in problems regarding letting them off the lead - hope it helps. Training and is the key for sure, hang in their it will be fine! Kind regards Paul |
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gingerboy 00:57:03 Thu Jan 11 2007 Offline 871 posts Boxer Maniac Mood Now: Reply |
To save you searching Tricia here was my reply.
As far as off the lead exercise is concerned your deaf boxer is a little different to a hearing boxer and you need to consider the following first:- 1. have Kia and you undertaken / attended any training classes? 2. Is Kia receptive to treats (biscuits, sausage, cheese etc etc)? 3. Is their an area near to you that is enclosed, fenced? 4. If yes to No3, is it away from busy roads? 5. Does Kia like balls, squeaky toys? 6. Do you have an extender lead? 7. Are you confident and feeling brave? Lots more questions but the above are starters and basics. I would highly recommend attending a local dog training class if you have not already. It is well worth it as your dog will learn that obedience training is fun and delivers rewards, more importantly you will have increased confidence in your ability and the fact that kia will and does respond to your commands (hand signals). You can buy "signing" books for dogs, these have universally recognised hand signals for deaf dogs, a good traning class will more than likely have a trainer that knows the basics but it is up to you to learn them and more importantly get Kia to recognise them and react accordingly to them. As an example Tash understands the signs we use which include - sit, stay, leave, fetch, down, away etc etc. She will also give her paw and other such cute little things that our babies do. Training a deaf dog is hard work, very hardwork but as you are probably well aware they pay you back ten fold if you put the effort in. Don't listen to anybody who says you cannot train a deaf dog, with patience, lots of love, time and devotion Kia is more than capable of getting her bronze, silver and gold good citizen awards from the kennel club!! Tash got her bronze and silver, unfortunately we never got round to the gold but we still take time out to keep her upto speed. Back to your main question, can I walk my deaf boxer off lead? The answer is yes, yes and yes. However as already covered ensure you have attended training classes and Kia understands your hand signals. I would start in a small enclosed area, park, field, Try and go when nobody else is likely to be about this will ensure Kia is less likely to be distracted during her introduction to off lead exercise. Start off with keeping Kia calm, try not to let her go hyper, put her into the sit position. Now make sure you have her favourite extra special treats and her favourite toy (keep the toy in your pocket for now). Use the stay command and walk backwards 5 paces maintaining eye contact, recall her whilst showing her the treat, when she comes to you make her sit and give her the treat, make a fuss of her. Now repeat this exercise again abut 5 times and continue to on a daily basis. Next show her and let her sniff the treat but don't let her have it, now start walking and keep her on your right hand side, let her sniff the treat and keep walking, then stop and make her sit - give her the treat and make a fuss of her. Again repeat this about 5 times. Now hopefully she is responding to this and getting the idea that good behaviour gets rewards. Now produce her favourite toy and put the treats in your pocket, whilst keeping a firm grip on the toy get her to start playing with it tug of war style, get her attention fixed on the toy! Now throw it a short distance away from you and then use the recall command, if she brings it back reward her with a treat. Now throw it further away, again recall her, now keep doing this, keep her engaged with you. You may not be able to do this overnight it may take a few days before you are confident enough to do so. Once you are confident that she will come back to you when off lead take her to a larger space, obviously check for livestock, children, other dogs etc first. Do you have a large park near by?? Try the off lead exercises in the large park / field and then start with the toy throwing it further and further away, recall her each time and reward for good behaviour. After a good few sessions down the park your confidence should be growing and you should be able to let her have a few minutes "free time" let her have a sniff about, recall her and reward again, build up the time she has to roam a little bit each day. If she will not recall ensure your are in her field of vision and use the recall command again, if she will not recall again ensure she can see you and walk in the opposite direction to Kia, she should follow you, once she does start approaching you kneel and or crouch down and make her sit and stay. Forgot to mention that during training and exercise get Kia used to you putting the lead back on throughout her walk / exercise, this way when you do want to go home putting the lead on will not signal "the end of the walk", many dogs do not recall because they see their owner waving a lead around and think to temselves "yeah right, I'm enjoying myself, no way am I going on that lead"!!!! If your dog thinks "well thats fine because Mum will let me back off soon", you are keeping her guessing as opposed to sticking to a fixed routine that she will soon figure out. All the above takes time and I do not doubt you will have the odd moment of frustration or panic, remember stay calm, your dog will pick up on your vibes, just take your time and stick with it. Do you know anybody else with a well trained dog?? If so go down the park with them and let kia have some interaction with another dog off lead in a "safe" environment. I would not under any circumstances recommend walking any dog off lead in resedential areas or near to a road, you never know what might catch their eye and they could easily be run down by a car. Once you have found a few places you are happy with stick with them. If you and Kia go on holiday keep her on lead until you have had chance to check out the area, again is it secure, are their any major roads near by, is their deep water, cliff edges etc etc that you need to be aware of??? One last thing always watch what Kia is doing, try and stay in her field of vision, if she is having a good sniff somewhere just stop near by and wait for her, if you don't she may panic and you don't have the benefit of being able to whistle or shout to get her attention. Tash has lost sight of me once, thankfully we were on our usual walk and she just went home The baove are basics, if I can be of any further help or you have any questions just shout. Where abouts do you live??? Kind regards and good luck Paul Mod OptionsEditDeleteMoveSplitDisable Sig |
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