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gingerboy
09:42:28 Tue
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Help - Tash has started vomiting after she has had her propalin syrup. Been to the vets and they have said to alternate when we feed her and then give her the propalin on and empty stomach.

Wondered if anyone had experienced any similair problems? It is definetely connected to the propalin as I have not given Tash any drops for two days and then re-introduced it and hey presto within 2 hours she is bringing up food again, I have done this on 4 occasions just to be sure.

Unlike Molly who eats small stones and then brings them back up Tash does not bother chewing up stones, plastic, wood etc and she is only sick after the propalin.

The vets have never heard of propalin having this type of side effect so they are at a loss other than to take x-rays if changing her routine does not work.

Look forward to your thoughts - do you know of any alternatives to propalin?

Hope you can help, Paul

  
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Hi Paul

My last boxer was on propalin from when she was spayed at the age of four until she died at 13. How bad is Tash's incontinence - does she just drip a lot or does she have accidents? From what I remember (very vaguely) the incontience is caused when they are spayed - apparently hormones are disturbed and the muscles needed to "hold" herself are weakened, so perhaps if you went looking for hormonal treatment as an alternative? Thats if I remember correctly though!

I never had any problems with Katie being sick with propalin and was interested that you called it a "syrup"? I dont remember how many drops I used to give Katie - think it started around 2 and increased as she got older, but I dont remember it being syrup like, just a normal liquid I dripped out of a little bottle? Is that the same as Tash's?

If it helps, I just gave Katie's in with her meal (back in the days when dogs only had one meal a day!) It never seemed to give her any probs though - is there an ingredient in it that Tash may be allergic to perhaps?

I cant help with any alternatives I am afraid though sorry

Karen :wave:


  
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Hi Karen thanks for the reply - Tash has not taken well to her new feeding routine at all. She basically is a picker, we always give them fresh food around 6.00pm which is when they eat the majority and then pick until the morning. Tash was not impressed with no food at night and could not be bothered with it in the morning - good advice from the vet then!!

Anyway I have put her food routine back to how it was and am now spreading the dosage of propalin over 3 times a day rather than once or twice. So far so good she has not been sick so I will keep my fingers crossed.

Her incontinence varys dependant on intake of fluids but generally she will produce quiet a large wet patch if she does not have her drops - this said she has never totally emptied her bladder though it's just like a slow dripping tap. Poor Tash she would be mortified if she knew I was talking about this.

The vet did say to give her approx 12 drops in one day which I have also now reduced and it still seems to be working - I will have to find the threshold and stick to it I think.

Thanks once again for the reply - you are right it is in little bottles but ours is called propalin syrup rather than just propalin, what the difference is I've no idea.

Take care, Paul

  
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Hi Paul

Glad to see you are finding a way round it. My only advice would be to find the minimum you can get away with a stick to it. As she gets older her incontinence will worsen and you will need to increase the dosage - so obviously it helps if you arent giving her maximum to start with!!

One good piece of advice that a dog trainer gave me for picky eaters was to feed them three times a day, but only have the food available for half an hour. When we first got Sasha she wouldnt eat hardly anything and just picked during the day, which meant I was throwing a lot away & Burn's isnt cheap!! We now split her allowance into three meals and she wolfs them down in seconds! I was worried because I thought she would starve when I kept taking the food away and she hadnt eaten it, but the trainer says they can go up to 7 days without eating without problems!! They soon learn that they have a small window of opportunity and decide to eat when we want them to, not when they decide to!!

Good luck with Tash's incontinence - I've been there and it's not much fun, you have my sympathys!

Karen :wave:

  
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Hi Karen

I may try splitting her meals - the only problem is Molly who eats like a horse but does not and never has put any weight on, it seems the more Molly eats the quicker she processes it and I have the lovely job of picking it up. Tash is small but beatifully proportioned, everybody who meets her always comments on how fit she is - I,m glad to say not an ounce of fat just pure muscle.

You never know if both are fed 3 times a day their bodys may make better use of whats available, or rather Mollys might - I don't think it helps that she is on the go all the time but after all she is a boxer.

I will definetely try and get Tash on the absolute minimum amount of propalin - she still seems to be ok so fingers crossed I have managed to find a solution to the vomiting.

Your right about Tash's problem it's certainly a major down side of having them speyed but then again I would rather that than have to worry about her becoming pregenant. Tash looks really down and worried if she dribbles which is a shame because she should know that we love her to bits and are now used to cleaning up all sorts of mess especially with 2 boxers and a toddler in the house.

I will keep you updated as to their / Tash's progress.

Take care, Paul

  
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Hi Paul

Great news that Tash is still ok on propalin.

I know what you mean about the processing side of things! Sasha certainly has her own fair share of it! When we first got her she went about 6 times a day - I had never seen so much of it! Since then we have put her on Burns dog food (Chicken and Rice variety) and she only goes once or twice a day. When we thought she was too skinny and upped the amount slightly she just went more! The great thing about Burns is that they take what they need and get rid of the rest, so you can pretty much judge the right amount for them.

Sasha sounds a bit like Tash in that she is small and perfectly proportioned! We still havent managed to get her over 21kg, but she is small for a boxer and you cant see too much of her ribs!

Good luck with the propalin and let me know how the girls get on with three meals a day!

Karen :wave:

  
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Hi Paul
Glad u have found something to work. However if probs occur again, try giving her something to "cover" her tummy first thing in the morning and if need be at might as well. If she wont take a Gaviscon tablet [buy the ones in the tubes] you can buy it in liquid form. Gaviscon coats the gastric tract and therefore reduces the acidity. Its good stuff. I always keep a tube of them in the house. Personally I dont know how my dogs eat them [like smarties] with gusto, I never found them appetising, but each to their own tastes.

I agree - rather spey than not. One of ours had probs for a while as well after speying but it settled and now its maybe just once or twice a year that she has a bit of a drip so fingers crossed your Tash is the same.

As regards the hormones, try Evening primrose oil. Start her off on one 500mg capsule a day for a week, 2 caps for a week and 3 caps third week - keep her on the three caps for 3 months, she may need more or less after 3 months, it will help. It is not a cure and only helps so long as they take it. Once she is established on it you can try adding 1 Royal Jelly capsule per day - its not necessary but it helps. Holland + Barratt do good deals [can place it mail order if not one near to you on the web] and I think they have a half price sale on at the moment. Your local chemist will charge a lot for Eve Prims and or Royal jelly so better to shop around.

Hugs to Tash + Molly

  
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Hi Paul

Has Tash settled down ok with her propalin now?

I was beginning to think I was going to have to go down that line with Sasha for a while. She started leaving little puddles sometimes when she was layed down, and there were a few drips here and there.

She hasn't done it for a while now so I am hoping it was just her hormones settling down and that we will be ok?

Karen:wave:

  
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Hi Karen

I'm glad to say that Tash has stopped vomiting - as mentioned before I reduced her dose and she now seems fine. We have the occasional accident but I am glad to say it is very rare.

I hope Sasha is OK and you don't have any further instances of her leaving little puddles.

Have a good Christmas and best wishes to everybody at your end, Paul

  
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Don`t go to holland and barrat, Semi Chem sells evening primrose for a fraction of the price that H&B charge, I think they sell Royal Jelly too,you can also get Gaviscon too there lots cheaper.

I hope Tash is feeling much better yvonne

  
gingerboy
14:49:20 Thu
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Hi Yvonne

Yes Tash is fine now - well as fine as can be expected for Tash anyway, she is going through a mischevious spell at the moment and is in to everything. Maybe she's excited because it is Christmas? I don't think the snow helped we had recently Molly and Tash hust stand in front of our patio doors whining to be let out, they love the snow.

Thanks fo the tip on where to buy gaviscon etc I will take a look.

Many thanks and have a great Christmas, Paul

  

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