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charlene91
17:51:21 Sun
Jan 1 2012
china made engines
HI YOU ALL A FEW OF THE PEOPLE I KNOW HAVE BOUGHT THOSE CHEAP CHINA MADE ENGINES AND THEY FOUND OUT THAT THEY GOT WHAT THEY PAID FOR AND THEY COULD NOT GET PARTS FOR THEM SOME BUSINESS THAT SELL THEM WILL SAY THAT THEY ARE THE SAME AS HONDA WELL THEY ARE NOT ..I MYSELF RUN HONDA FOR MY GENERNATORS AND PUMPS ...SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT BUYYING THESE CHEAP ENGINES MAKE SURE YOU CAN GET PARTS WELL ENOUGH FOR NOW ..CHARLENE
justbill67
18:49:28 Sun
Jan 1 2012
Re: china made engines
You're right about that.Buy cheep get cheep I learned that years ago with power tools.Four my money you can't beat the intek professional series by briggs ans stratton.And you wont need parts offten but when you done there easy to get and easy to work on.And the best part there made in the USA.And lord knows we need the jobs.
kaveman
19:13:49 Sun
Jan 1 2012
Re: china made engines
Well,................I don't know. I had an old 8HP Honda that we ended up throwing away even though we 'could' get parts for it. The engine was still in decent running condition, but the carb was shot and Honda wanted $160 for a new one(this was 7-8yrs ago). I couldn't see spending $160 to get a 15yr old engine running and the factory original Honda carb was a throw-away; it couldn't be rebuilt.

I just bought an older Honda trash pump locally that was like new(another 8HP), but the original owner had left the fuel in the carb for a dozen yrs. I couldn't get it started and quickly learned why when I took the carb apart to clean it. It was so rusted up and corroded that I couldn't even get it apart without breaking it. A quick search on eBay showed that almost all replacement Honda parts are now Chinese. A new carb cost me $13 plus a couple of bucks to ship. I think with a new air cleaner it was still under $20 delivered. The whole intake side of the engine from air cleaner wingnut to intake gasket could be had for $35. Every part you could want is available from eBay and CHEAP!

I usually buy the Hondas. The only clone I have came with a shaker plant I bought second-hand(a 13HP that's been perfectly reliable after many yrs of neglect). Truthfully, you almost can't find anything actually made in Japan anymore,..............let alone in the US. My Pontiac has an engine and drivetrain made in China. I'll bet 50% of us are using computers with Japanese names on them, but 90% of us are using computers made in or at least assembled with Chinese components.
charlene91
22:50:06 Sun
Jan 1 2012
Re: china made engines
..I USED TO WORK ON ALL OF THAT STUFF AND THE MAIN PROBLEM WITH FUEL SYSTEM ARE DIRTY OR UNTREATED STORED FUEL KEEP YOUR FUEL CLEAN AND IF YOU STORE IT TREAT IT EVERY SPRING MY ENGINES START ...CHARLENE
growler
23:22:15 Sun
Jan 1 2012
Re: china made engines
I bought a Lifan 15 h.p. electric start from Home Depot (online purchase-free shipping)$329.00. I know its not a Honda. Have spare parts on hand. For use in lower 48.If equipment design is ok (mine) and deposit is ok, a Honda is going on after the first 1/2 lb. is recovered. Any eng. I buy I drain the stuff they call oil it came with, fill and run 5 min. and drain into clean drain pan. Seen some scary stuff come out. Drain carb bowl for fun too.
jimmy
justbill67
01:47:47 Mon
Jan 2 2012
Re: china made engines
Well charlene what is the best way to store them.I've had engines set four a few years with gas in it and gas turns to slime in the carb bowl.I've ran them dry and had the inside of the carb bowl rust up.And kaveman you're right its hard to find things made hear anymore.I'm from Missouri and not far from me is a briggs and stratton plant.I hate to think what would happen to those people if that place ever shut down...
Lanny_in_AB
02:14:01 Mon
Jan 2 2012
Re: china made engines
On my five-inch dredge, both engines are Intek Briggs and Stratton--great little engines--made in the USA--quality stuff for sure.

All the best,

Lanny
leonard
17:38:42 Mon
Jan 2 2012
Re: china made engines
Quote: Lanny_in_AB at 02:14:01 Mon Jan 2 2012

On my five-inch dredge, both engines are Intek Briggs and Stratton--great little engines--made in the USA--quality stuff for sure.

All the best,

Lanny


And they almost always start with the first pull. I'll never buy anything else if I have a choice.

Leonard
charlene91
18:32:56 Mon
Jan 2 2012
Re: china made engines
hi you all i like to hear about people buying american made stuff ...how to store engines one way is to put in some fuel system storeage one is storite i thing is the proper spelling another thing to do is to run the engine once a month ..oh yea when you treat your fuel after putting it in the fuel tank run it a while to be sure it is all through the fuel system ....another thing that will help your engine last longer is to follow the owner manuel and run straigh weight oil ..most air cooled engines need 30 weight remember they run hotter and most of them do not have oil pumps .and that for proper cooling and lubernating they need to run at 3600 rpm some people think that ail cooled engines can run like liquild cooled engines well enough for now CHARLENE
YJ
01:10:31 Tue
Jan 3 2012
Re: china made engines
Firstly g'day from Oz, I have been running a Miller's Falls 1 1/2" chinese pump (we call them Chonda's) for three years now. After a few initial problem this pump has been faultless. The problems I had all boiled down to be the spark plug supplied with the motor. The first thing anyone should do is buy a name brand plug and you won't have any problems. Also a broken pull starter can be replaced with a genuine Honda one. cheers YJ
MarshallAk
20:31:16 Tue
Jan 3 2012
Re: china made engines
I have a 3500-watt generator that has a 6.5hp Chinese-Honda "clone" engine. It has run flawlessly for the many times I've used it over the last 6 years...probably a couple-hundred hours. I only paid $288 for the generator, brand-new. Do I think it was money well spent? Well...yes, I do...it's lasted longer than I thought it would, and it it still starts and runs just fine.

That said, do I think a genuine Honda would be better? Yes, no doubt they are better. But you are going to pay for it.

Over the last 25 yrs I've used a LOT of different small engines, and the very worst of them were Tecumseh, with B&S coming in a close 2nd. But those B&S that gave me problems were, for the most part, the old "L-head" design (IMO they are junk) not the newer overhead-valve (OHV) designs. Most of the Tecumseh engines were hard to start, and ran like crap. Most of the problems that I experienced with the B&S were the starter assembly not engaging the flywheel...moisture (a little dew is all it takes) gets in the starter mechanism, freezes the parts in the "run" position, and then they don't want to slip down and catch in the "engage flywheel" position when you yank on the rope. Very frustrating, but once started they all ran "ok". Sometimes tapping on the side of the starter assembly with a rubber mallet would fix them. (temporarily) I have no experience with the newer B&S Intek engines, but it sounds like they are equally as good as a Honda. I don't know anybody that uses the less common other brands, like Robin, Kohler, Onan, Kawasaki, etc., so can't comment on how dependable they are. I have a 1960's vintage Lister-powered genset that is excellent, but it is a diesel, so that would be comparing apples and oranges.

Like Charlene mentioned, I also run straight 30-W oil in all of the small engines I have now...it's better than 5W-30, 10W-30, 10W-40, IMO.

To this day, I won't consider buying a "Tecumseh" engine, for ANY reason,...they're ancient 100-yr old technology...nothing but problems...junk...IMO. The new B&S engines are good. (but not the older non-OHV designs with the problem starter assemblies)

Marshall
leonard
22:52:28 Thu
Jan 5 2012
Re: china made engines
I to will not knowingly buy a Tecumsa. I hope they aren't american made but I've had several and even the old style Briggs was a lot better. The new Briggs Intek's are in my opinion even better than a Honda. I've ran both. I replaced my old style 5 hp Briggs dredge motor with a 6.5 Briggs Intek years ago and I love it. It starts on first pull even after storing it over the winter with gas in it. It runs quiter than a Honda. Plus it's american made and parts are readily available. A Briggs Intek or Vanguard are my engines of choice.

I believe Kohler is also a high end engine but I've never had one.
Leonard
LipCa
01:33:04 Fri
Jan 6 2012
Re: china made engines
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Over 90% of our engines and products are manufactured in the USA.

The only exception would be the Vanguard horizontal shaft, V-Twin and 3-cylinder liquid cooled engines (All Vanguard vertical shaft single cylinder engines are made in the USA). The Vanguard horizontal shaft and V-twin engines have many of its components made in the USA and are assembled in Japan.

All Vanguard engines are engineered in the USA.

We design, engineer, and assemble the vast majority of our generator and pressure washer products in the United States. Please refer to the packing label for a specific country of origin information.

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growler
01:47:46 Fri
Jan 6 2012
Re: china made engines
gone:http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tractor/msg022347193778.html jimmy
justbill67
23:41:33 Fri
Jan 6 2012
Re: china made engines
I'm with you Leonad.I'll never go back.We need to team up om Russ till he get puts an intek on his dredge..Bill
peluk
00:57:35 Sat
Jan 7 2012
Re: china made engines
I'd buy an American made pump in a wink if it has a good track record.My Hondas have to quit first however.
In the meantime,are all Vanguard motors of the Intek series? If not,are the Vanguard designs generally dependable or must I look for the Intek tag?
leonard
01:32:41 Sat
Jan 7 2012
Re: china made engines
Quote: peluk at 00:57:35 Sat Jan 7 2012

I'd buy an American made pump in a wink if it has a good track record.My Hondas have to quit first however.
In the meantime,are all Vanguard motors of the Intek series? If not,are the Vanguard designs generally dependable or must I look for the Intek tag?


I think you would be happy with an Intek. It has a high mounted gas tank so it doesn't have to suck gas up into the carburerator?? so it starts right away on the first pull most of the time. The Vanguard has pressurized oil with filters which the Intek doesn't. The Vanguard are top of the line engines but the Intek are high mid-line engines.

Leonard
cubsqueal
02:06:33 Sat
Jan 7 2012
Re: china made engines

For above post:

http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tractor/msg022347193778.html
leonard
15:49:37 Sat
Jan 7 2012
Re: china made engines
Quote: cubsqueal at 02:06:33 Sat Jan 7 2012


For above post:

http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tractor/msg022347193778.html


It just amazes me at the things you find on this and other forums. I learn all kinds of things you'd never suspect from the people that post here.

Leonard
LipCa
16:53:22 Sat
Jan 7 2012
Re: china made engines
This was from that last link:

"you can buy a small engine made in the US or Canada for $350 for example, and sell it for $450. You make $100 every time. You sell 10 machines, you make $1000.

you then have a choice, to buy a crappy chinese engine for $150 and sell it for the same $450. You make $300 every time but you sell only 7 out of 10 machines, because some people don't want a chinese engine. You make $2,100 instead of $1000 before.
So... do you want to make $1000 or $2,100?.... the decision is easy people. Anyone would make that decision. You don't have to be a greedy CEO to want to make $2100 instead of $1000. Right?

In school, they teach this subject called "economics". It's not rocket science."

What's wrong with that statement?
Well, you wouldn't sell the "crappy chinese engine" for the same "$450". It would be more like $200 and you would sell more than 7 out of 10 because people will buy cheap engines.

As a prime example, I have a 2.5 hp clone that I bought for $99. Still new in the box. And, a 6.5 hp clone I paid $129 for. Still new in the box.
Who wouldn't do that to have a spare for an emergency?

I have Hondas of the same too but what if they break down?
MarshallAk
19:06:59 Sat
Jan 7 2012
Re: china made engines
Yep...I agree.
And the surprising thing is the "crappy" Chinese engines aren't really crappy at all...they are actually quite good. Virtually all of the ones I've seen, owned, used, or tested started and ran quite well. In stark contrast to the genuinely CRAPPY Tecumseh engines I've owned over the years. (pop...bang....brrrreeeh...pop...bang...brrreeeh...pop...bang...sputter...cough...)(with flame blowing out muffler)(this after pulling on the starter rope 15 or 20 times to get the stupid thing to finally start) Was on snowblower that I finally got rid of at yard sale for $50. The only good thing is I didn't have to pay them to take it...
:devil:

Marshall
cubsqueal
19:18:23 Sat
Jan 7 2012
Re: china made engines

Some of the deals on the Chinese pumps are hard to beat. Look at the going price on the one below:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/180752870732

I bought one of these for about $38 and one for a friend at about $48.

Hard to pass up deals like that.
growler
23:04:04 Sat
Jan 7 2012
Re: china made engines
This handy for any small engine: http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/NTEprodprint?productId=200311061&storeId=6970&catalogId=4006970&langId=-1 Cub I dont know how to make a hot link, thanks for earlier one, jimmy p.s. dont forget Tiny Tach
Darkstar_Mining
18:51:01 Wed
Apr 11 2012
Re: china made engines
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&sugexp=frgbld&pq=kohler&cp=12&gs_id=o&xhr=t&q=kohler+ch980&um=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1280&bih=685&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=13050872721662439104&sa=X&ei=KNKFT6vlC4_K0AG1qqzQBw&ved=0CGQQ8wIwAg

this is a steal!!


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