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thegoldgopher
18:40:25 Tue
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Yesterday, I talked on the phone for about two hours with different people in Dept. of Mining, Regulatory Division, Dept. of Commerce, and Department of Natural Resources. Without divulging a lot to them about the design, I got them to comment on my idea. When the DNR and Mining guys heard that it would heavily reduce the amount of rubble that was handled, and seabed floor disturbed, they became VERY interested.

At first, they treated me much like probably any of the hundreds of calls a day they've been getting from prospective sourdoughs who wanted to ask a lot of basic questions. Once I said I had something specific that had beneficial environmental aspects, they changed immediately.

So, anyway, I'll be hustling trying to get one built, and find someone who wants to test it. As I understand it, season runs June, July, and August, give or take.

If it works, there will be the offseason to develop different models, and a couple of sluice improvement ideas I have.

  
peluk
04:56:33 Wed
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Gopher,I see a problem with your approach.It smacks of
"toadyism" or bootlapping.When the wind blows in Nome,the waters move and become filled with suspended sand.The wind stops,the sand settles and life goes on.The disturbance provides fresh nutrients for the sea creatures real or imagined.

This is accepted by all as a normal,harmless event.On a calm day,a dredger might stir up the bottom in the same way and in the same way,the sand settles with the same results.

To imply that there is anything that could be corrected or must be corrected is to imply the existence of a problem where none exists.
Maybe in California you can find a ready group of "progresives" yearning for an opportunity to weep on cue over anything.If it smacks of an undertaking outside their circle of understanding or interest...give them some funding and they'll stick their noses in it in hopes of stopping it.This validates their own inability to live in a world of creative undertakings where financial risk might be involved or worse yet....where they might get dirty.

Trust me,if a dredge creates a silt plume visible to a pilot, for example,who feels that poses a threat,he'll whine about it until he is heard just because he can.
That "example" exists.

Let your invention sail or sink on its merits as a mining device and not as BAT tool that will cast the existing dredge in a bad light.








  
overtheedge
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Well, I was just filing under ignore. But Peluk broke the ice, so I am compelled to say my speil.

Quote: thegoldgopher

Black sand needed, and black sand questions ( 20:34:31 Sun Apr 22 2012 )
I need a bunch of black sand. Anyone have a bunch they want to part with?

Is all black sand reactive to a magnet? I have seen some recent videos of people playing with black sand and magnets. I have not seen a lot of magnets in sluices to grab the black sand, but think it would be a good idea, just removing one more thing from the desired result. It could all be saved for refining. They seem to leave a lot of the sand in with the gold. Is this because there is a tiny amount of gold in with the black sand that comes out in smelting?

can be contacted at thegoldgopher@gmail.com re: black sand


In one post you are dispensing advice and in the next you post the above?

Now with zero experience you are going to invent a device that eliminates a non-existent problem? With zero experience you have identified the problems? With zero experience you know what has been already invented and discarded because it was inefficient or nonsense for a myriad of reasons?

I've never dredged in Nome. Been there in the winter. I had a few brews at the BoT. Trained Arctic Scouts out at Salmon Lake. Ate my share of oogruk and appreciated it.

What is the problem with you getting some black sand of your own? Don't talk the talk, walk the walk. Be a doer.

Dollar to a doughnut that the folks at Dept(?)of Mining and Regulatory(?) Division had you on speakerphone and after 10,000 similar calls had a good laugh listening to yours.

Bubba, talk about crash and burn. Get out there and get some experience. Learn the science and develop the skill-sets needed to learn more. You won't learn squat behind the keyboard or reading a book on this subject. Big share of the garbage in books (and a lot of what is posted) is crap parroted from the depression era booklets done by some college boys hired by the US Bureau of Mines. (IC# 6786-6788)

Many of us freely share our experiences; the successful and yes, some failures. A few of us (myself for example) re-invent the wheel because we HAVE to learn the "why not" by doing. Emphasis is on "experience".

I'm months away from social security and I am still damn active. Everything I use is packed in on my back several kilometers cross-country, so age is not a valid excuse.

Go get a pan and start the process. Gain some experience before you dispense advise. Study the science, history, skills and put it to practical use. Quit trying to be a teacher of a subject you have no experience with. And quit implying that current practices are environmentally flawed. I live in the environment, I'm part of it and it is part of me. I don't live in some urban or suburban man-made pseudo-environment. I don't and the people I know in this field don't soil our nests.

Nuf said. Perhaps it is the long off-season or the waiting another 10 days to 2 weeks for the shelf ice to go away. Maybe it was the long hours I spent helping a lady friend trying to get her loader (Fiat-Allis) started today. Or maybe it was the postings. The Army never taught me diplomacy, but they emphasized learning problem solving skills and applying them.
eric

  
thegoldgopher
16:09:18 Wed
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Thank you for your input.

  
thegoldgopher
16:41:45 Wed
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We used to make plumes that could be seen for miles, digging 4' wide ten' deep trenches. This ain't my first rodeo. You seem to have some sort of deep seated anger towards something or someone. It ain't me. You will see me in the future, and my inventions. We will see how I do. My life and my survival do not depend on this one venture. I have had successes and failures before, but the last thing is for a man to simply sit on the sidelines and critique everyone else. Google Teddy Roosevelt's "The Critic."

  

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