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goldrushpro
03:50:33 Thu
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blacksands_man,

The lower sluice has a built in drop angle visual indicator.

Start out with the lower sluice having very little drop - at that point a small sand bar will appear on the UPSTREAM side of the middle slick plate which is located half way down the lower sluice. Add drop a little at a time until the sand bar goes away. If under full production the sand bar re-appears, then add a little more drop.

Thats it - it's set perfectly. No bubble level, no measuring tape,

Thanks,
Joel

  
blacksands_man
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Smooth design, I like the thinking that went into the design...

The average sand grain (.5 mm sized) will be re-transported at a 3-4 degree slope , and that ideally is where you would want it assuming its classified material.

Of course the people with alot of blacksands in there area will freak out figuring they will get alot of of ot in the grooves at that shallow angle. I know the G-1 upgrades to the heaviest black sands.

Would you indicate after the S-1 treatment the blacksands that are left ..have you smelted them? & what % in weight would be precious metals ( i know it can vary but whats your experience if you know).

blacksands man

  
tabwyo
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Got my burly bilge pump in yesterday. I'll get it hooked up and running cons tomorrow.

  
goldrushpro
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blacksands_man,

Yeah it does vary in the S-1. If you have enough gold in your concentrates, you can run it until it's almost full of gold like the pictures on my website. But that takes about six or seven thousand dollars worth of gold to do that.
I just got some crucibles in today and I'm going to do a Oxi Acet. torch smelt on the black sands that come out of the S-1 and see if Ican get a nice button while eliminating the black sands.

If that works I'll do a youtube video on that, plus how I pan and snuff the con's that come out of the S-1.

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Joel

  
tabwyo
00:36:06 Sun
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Ran my G1 today on a couple 5g buckets of material from a gravel deposit in a dry wash I came across out rockhounding. The 2000gph pump is minimum pump for this unit. But it worked right through 18 mesh classified dirt. Found a pinch of -50 mesh gold. Enough to go pull a 20 bucket sample out of. The highbanker was a bit of a pain to get leveled out. But you don't need a level. Just eyeball and it comes out alright. Once it's dialed in it moves along really well.

  
viniv
04:53:37 Mon
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We ran the G1 again today ALL DAY LONG I love that unit worked great got gold of all sizes, from the first drop riffle all the way down.

We did get a little confused for a minute had the trays setup backwards DUH. We had a 8 year old kid helping us today a future prospector for sure he loved hangin out with the guys and he even found a speck of gold with the pro gold pan from USprospector, great day of fun and a little gold to boot.

  
baub
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There's a sand bar on a local river that gets submerged when the spring thaw hits. I've heard that there is little gold in such places, however the contour of the bar is flattish and it has a bit of a depression in the middle. My question is if anyone has successfully run a G-1 or any other type of small gold recovery op on one of these type of bars ?

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b

  
tabwyo
14:21:02 Mon
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Hey Baub, IME, gold is where you find it. It's for situations just like you described that I have the gear to set the G1 up as a recirculator here at the house. I can grab samples from anyplace that catches my eye and bring the samples home vs loading up all the equipment and going out in the feild for something that may not yield anything at all.

Don't let people discourage you from looking in odd places. I had a state geologist over yesterday and produced gold from a deposit he flat out told me wouldn't contain gold. And not just an od spec. I found 11 small flakes that were +50 and a mix of very fine stuff. All out of 2 faive gallon buckets of material. Doesn't sound like much. But it's pretty good for Wyoming. And really good for a place that isn't suppossed to have any gold at all.

  
baub
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Thanks Tab, I'll heed the advise !

b

  
auldrider
01:10:50 Tue
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Hello people, this thread is starting get interesting, (active) please keep all those cards and letters rolling in.

I am dying to know just how you all rate this (G-1) product!

Has anybody used the dredging attachment yet? Cheers, John.

  
tabwyo
02:36:04 Tue
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Haven't dredged with it yet. Hell, I haven't even had it running on a propper pump yet. But I am really impressed with it's performance so far. I panned every bit of the tailings from running this last years sluice concentrates through the G1 and I didn't find a spec. This is stuff that has already been panned through once and the easy stuff removed. The material was loaded almost black with iron sands. It was awesome watching the colors shift in the riffles. Black with hints of gold up top, to black then to a rose hue from the garnets all the way down to a few riffles of persistant blonde. And with the dirt from my "there aint no gold there" hole. The whole sluice stayed almost completely full of blonde sands. This pretty much tells me that the riffles work as advertised. They hold onto most everything until it's displaced by something heavier. I like the action on the lower tray so much I am going to rig up a spray bar for it and run it as a cleanup sluice for pre-classified materials.

  
Don_P
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Quote: goldrushpro at 04:25:58 Tue Jan 27 2009

Wo Wo Wo!

I usually only read AGF but I've gotta jump in here.
I just read about My new G-1 highbanker costing too much?

Where do I start? - Lets start with my history. I've been developing fine gold recovery devices and systems for seventeen years - and I don't mean playing around two or three hours on the weekend - I mean six or seven days a week up to fourteen hours a day. Over these years my desk and my computer and my house are stuffed with prototypes, drawings, welders, pieces of scrap everything. Over this infatuation I've lost a marrage, a job, a house, and every personal thing of value. At one point I had lived for over two and a half years as a single parent on an income of $325.00 a month. I have scratched every crack in the ground "so to speak" for seventeen years. My point here is that I've been in the lowest level of poverty and I care about things not being too expensive. Now I am the founder and owner of US Prospector, a placer mine consultant, owner of two commercial gold mines, and now starting to work with gravel pits to recover gold as a by product. I just checked the price of keene and Proline's full size highbankers and they are $1,300.00 dollars mine is lighter, folds more compact, runs on less water, will handle many times the volume without overloading the sluice, has much better fine gold recovery and ........only cost's $740.00 for the same dredge/highbanker combo unit!
I hope that everyone can see that I am deticated and concerned and want to offer equipment to the prospector that is the very best there is at prices that are close to half of what other manufacturers charge.

P.S. The S-1 finishing system is exactly how good I say it is. I just got a reply from clicktheyellowchick who has a problem with the pump on Hers and as soon as I get Her water pump fixed she will give you an honest report on the system.

Thank You for listening,
Joel Farmer
US Prospector
208-608-2689(Mountain Standard time)


Mr Farmer,
I read your post on Thursday night and fought the urge to reply, but now I canít resist. It has been decades ago, but I too had a product and had the same type decisions you have had as to production costs, marketing, etc .. and then the big question; ďwhat could I sell it forĒ. The decision about sales price is as difficult and exciting to an inventor as working for and finding a pay streak can be for a miner. This situation represents the best and the worst aspects of society. The best aspect deals with the innovation and perspiration necessary to turn an idea into a functional product. The worst aspect involves entitlement and greed. You are making claims as to the benefit of your product which may all be true (I donít personally know), but you are selling two pieces of molded plastic and a metal frame. If you have as much as $35.00 invested in each unit I would be shocked. But this is supply and demand and if people will pay your asking price, it is their personal choice, which I wholeheartedly support. What disgusts me is the feeling of entitlement you express when you talk about your seventeen years of misery in product development. You chose the life you have lived and to pout about it and suggest that customers are financially responsible for fixing all things that you perceive wrong in your past life is difficult to stomach. There are many miners that can say they have worked seventeen years with many hardships to get the gold they have accumulated, but that does not mean the smelter has to pay them more then the current value of their gold because of the life they chose to live. You have taken a typical inventor gamble in the pricing of your product. The choices are usually: do I try to make a lot of money on each unit and not worry about competition, or price it reasonably so you wonít get much competition. Unfortunately for many miners who would like to try your device, you have chosen the high price scenario. Unfortunate for you is that competition will not be far behind you. After all, you are selling two pieces of molded plastic and a metal frame.
Good luck, Don

  
auldrider
22:54:25 Fri
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U.S. Prospector offers a product at a price set by them.

Why all the fuss about the price?

Either the product works and suits your needs or it doesn't.

Either you are prepared to pay their price or you are not.

End of story! :confused:

Frankly I would buy one in a heart beat if I was living in the States, the price is a pittance IMHO.

In my case our dollar exchange rate compared to US$ means (currently) I will have to pay double for both the article and the freight.

Now that does cause me to balk and want to know a bit more about it's capabilities.

That is why I would like to hear from those of you in the USA that have bought one and have evaluated it's worth in the field.

It might just be worth me paying double if it is as good as it appears to be and suits my requirements.

So many men so many opinions and the right to express them, isn't that what freedom is all about? :smile: John.

  
AlbertaGold
23:37:08 Fri
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Dear Don,

First, Iím a happy owner of Joelís kit. Second, like you I have been watching this board for quite sometime and am a newbie to the board. Thank you for getting me off my duff and registered.

The equipment I received from Joel did what he said it would do. I was very new to the gold hunt and it worked great for me. Better than the junk I had bought (yes, I do buy a piece of junk every so often).

I beg to differ with you on your interpretation of Joelís post. I think he was just explaining that he put the effort in to make a product that was user friendly and lived up to expectations. I wish other manufacturers would do the same.

Are you talking from experience, were you one of those people who gouged the consumer? You also claim to understand the business decisions he and others face. Maybe today the cost of materials and labour are x but there are development and research costs from the past that must be recovered.

How many of these highbankers did he make? How many failed to do the job? We as the consumer pay for this everyday. Do you think GM or Ford, donít build into their prices all their R&D costs? They do, even for models that never see the light of day. If these costs are not recovered and some profit made there is no incentive to develop new products.

So Don, lets take a look at some of the costs after the R&D that are built into a product.

1. The pan came from a mold, do you have any idea how much a mold cost, it will shock you.

2. Thermo former to mold plastic sheets, The cost of just these two things will stop most from going on with manufacturing and bringing it to market.

3. Maybe he pays a shop to thermoform for him. This certainly is not cheap to farm out.

4. Dealers commission built in to unit, If they are going to sell it they will need commission to pay there overhead.

5. Advertising in magazines, gold shows etc.

6. Web site costs. If you don't know how to do it yourself then you pay someone to maintain it and keep it update.

7. Rent unless he has his own shop then payments and taxes. Do you know which it is?

8. Electricity, water. And if in town sewer .

9. Tables benches, tools like welder, steel cutting machines, hand tools etc .

10. Insurance for business and equipment.

11. Transportation and gas, picking up supplies etc.

12. If lucky enough to have a product that the public wants you can add the cost of an employee to keep up with orders because a single person can only do so much in a day.

13. With the employee comes workers comp, unemployment taxes, matching taxes etc. etc.

Then you come along and say he is charging to much because of greed.

What stood out to me was your greed on wanting something for nothing.

If you buy the kit the cost is $899.00, for that you getting a high banker, finishing unit which includes vibratory feeder and sluice, and also two gold pans. All this for less than an ounce of gold.

By the way I have the kit. The highbanker and finishing unit are all he says it is. There are a lot places in Canada and the US where there is flood gold and flour gold. It does a great job on the ultra fine gold and yes it captures course to nuggets also.

I know from experience to build a mold is costly. The one I had to build for an item that was the size of a razor blade was $10,000. The mold Joel uses are considerable larger scale than mine.

As a consumer, we make the decision on price by either buying or not. But to say that this manís time and effort to develop a product is worthless is uncalled for, Why do you think his time is worth nothing?

Then if he is lucky he sells some units, then the government takes their ounce of blood. Got to feed that monster.

Why do you care so much if he has competition? His competition is already two steps behind him with me. I would rather pay a little more for a product that works, then buy a cheap piece of junk that doesnít work. For the record, I donít think Joel has this item overpriced. Go ahead and buy the cheaper units, you will keep buying and buying, you may never get the results you want. In the end, you will have spent more.

Now I would like to apply your interuptation method to your post: You feel youíre entitled and should be given everything in life for nothing rather than working for it. You whine about everything because you have nothing better to do.

Why donít you develop a cheap highbanker for the masses and compete against Joel? As you claim it doesnít cost much to do. Iím not talking about building a couple for your buddyís, build the business and product line.

Well, I was only going to put my two cents in, again I over donated.

Here for a little Business 101 crash course, maybe it will help you

I respect her opinion and insight.

ClickTheYellowChick, I hope you don't mind if I repost three paragraphs from the first page of this thread.

From The Yellow Chick

My second observation is that I see a bigger picture here, than taking an apparently BRAVE manufacturer to task on price. This discussion is really about "what features are incorporated for what price?" I know that is the way I approach any acquisition decision. I don't start with price! I either start with "I need this, and someone recommended yours" or "what does this thing do???" After doing my own homework, then I start shopping. I don't expect the mfgr to do my RETAIL shopping for me!!!!

ALL MANUFACTURERS have conducted a "features for a price" studies before putting a product on the market, let alone MSRP'ing it. Too many times, there are not "in between products offered small miners with in between pricing points to choose from." There are "fartin' around tools" and there is "production equipment." Some of us have left the "fartin' around" gold-finding stage.

THEY have done the homework, and built the better mousetrap, completed the competitor studies, put a pencil to costs, AND incorporate intangibles such as "OVERHEAD" which includes dealer support, and after sales support and warranty work.




  
tabwyo
23:48:03 Fri
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For one, the fact that it can be broken down into it's seperate pieces and transproted/stored in 1/4 (if not less) of the space of a traditional highbanker has a value.
Second, the almost rediculous lack of effort it takes to clean up and get back to shoveling has some cha-ching value as well.
Third, if and when I do crack it. I can fix it with a can of glue. That has some "damn.. I don't have to by a new part" $$$ signs in front of it.
No media to futz with. Relatively light weight. Ease of set-up and adjustment. Being functional at a wide array of flow rates. Are all things I took into consideration befor purchasing.
And I can't see where his unit is any more expenssive than the the going market price for and "mid to higher end" highbanker/combo. Or are you basing your "it's overpriced" idea on the fact that it doesn't have 10,000 removable, adjustable, looseable, breakable and hard to replace do-dads??

  
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AG,

Well said.

Joe



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baub
00:06:55 Sat
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FWIW,

I believe this $900 kit is worth the price. After eyeing the comments, all positive, on this column, I've decided to pay Joel a visit and kick the tires..... err tap the plastic.
Easy cleanup, light weight, excellent recovery, why I may even cancel my Icon purchase !

b

  
kaveman
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I'll admit I really don't know what all the fuss is about. Looks like a very nice set-up at a very reasonable price to me. I'd like to know a little more about it; get some more first-hand accounts and such. I'm right on the brink of ordering a full kit, and I don't even have any desire to highbank. I just want to play with it(and maybe experiment with it as a cleanup kit).

As for ragging on the price,.................you've got a choice. Either pay it or don't. If you think you can build better for less,................go right ahead and DO it. Lots of people here on this forum do that and they get plenty of respect for their ingenuity. I really don't understand the idea that since this is plastic and steel, somehow somebody knows exactly what it's worth. What's your money 'worth'? It's just a bunch of paper,.............can't be worth much. You could pay with gold, but that's just some shiny dirt and pebbles you dug out of the ground. How can that be worth anything? Neither paper nor pebbles are of much use. Who wouldn't trade a bucket load of each for some nicely bent up plastic and steel gizmo that'll produce even more shiny pebbles and wallet paper? What kinda crazy are you guys?

  
dredger
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hahahahah, and that goes to show you that " the closer you get to gold, the crazier you will get, atleast it is a happy :devil: crazy,

nice one kaveman,

  
AlbertaGold
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Tabwyo, for me that was an add bonus.
I find the weight nice, I'm not a big person.
Setting up doesn't take all day. I want to find gold not pull wrenches all day.

  
AlbertaGold
02:16:34 Sat
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Kaveman, want or need but glad I have it now.

Joe, Thanks. I'll try not to write essays to often.

  
JOE_S_INDY
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Hey AG,

If you have something to say just type away - eh?

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azdave35
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someone asked why all the fuss about the price?...because in this economy most people cant justify paying $600 for 5 bucks worth of plastic and 10 bucks worth of steel....the defense is a keene highbanker cost $1000...the reason a keene costs 1000 is there is alot of parts and labor involved in a keene or pro line ...60% of the cost is the motor and pump..then you have the cost of the aluminum and steel..then you have many man hours in assembly...by the time its all said and done they arent making that much per unit...this g-1 concentrator takes about 20 minutes for the manufactor to assemble...and the pump is not included...so the 600 he is charging is almost all profit...but then they say..well i have years of research and development involved...and you dont think keene or proline does...everyone that sells and manufactors mining equipment has years of research and devolopment involved..but they dont try to get it back on the first customer...so you will have a hard time convincing me that a few bucks worth of plastic and steel is worth 600 bucks....but then again....i guess wallet mining has always been more profitable than gold mining itself

  
kaveman
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According to Keene's website, their highbanker costs $1750. True, it does include a pump on a BS engine, but it looks to me like you could be running the same material across a G-1 w/engine and pump for around a grand, so the question is,................is it worth a $750 savings to have the lighter weight, less complication and quicker cleanup? No real effort required to struggle with that question, so the only real concern of mine is how does it stack up to the Keene as far as recovery? If it's as good, again, no contest. From what I'm hearing, people with both are selling their conventional highbankers and keeping the G-1. I still want to look at one, but as far as I can see, the cost isn't a factor in the decision.


  
baub
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A new Corvette costs $40 k to $118k. Plastic and steel. Taking the same car to a car crusher to reduce it to it's basic salables would yield about $1k.
Doing the same thing to a G-1 at $600 would yield about $5 in plastic and a bit more for the steel.
The Vette produces no measurable $ return.
The G-1 appears to be able to pay for itself in maybe a week?

Now which one would I buy ?

A new blue ZR-1 of course!

But only after I get enuf gold to pay for it. The bottom line is that a ready built G-1 has a value more than a vette because of its payback potential. I can spend $1k on it and get my car with some sweat.
You can extend this analogy to compare time to build etc a new style sluice verses a ready made. From the sound of the money for the equipment to build these plastic trays, it might take a while to recover the initial outlay for the equipment etc.

Thanks,

b

  
tenderfootminer
18:11:52 Sat
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silly stuff here if ya want one buy one if ya dont dont.Do people go to the store and say I really want that can of corn but its to expensive so I will tell everyone i know it only has 2cents worth of corn in a 3cent can !wow !if its to much for ya dont get one.as for me looks like a nice product at a fair price..:confused:

  
azdave35
18:21:44 Sat
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well then..like you say...if you think its such a fair price..go buy one

  
tenderfootminer
19:53:25 Sat
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I would love one but needs to be alot bigger for my loaders :devil:

  
azdave35
19:56:01 Sat
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exactly...its alot of money for a pirce of small mining equip

  
tenderfootminer
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I spent alot more on small equiptment when I was smaller,Imo you pay for what ya get.Try pricing a 40ft. triple run box ouch but if it is what ya need well ..........:smile:
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