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goldcoastprospector
14:07:25 Sun
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Ben looks like you had a nice day. Did you find any gold in the upper riffle tray or was it all in the bottom tray? I would agree with you on raising the discharge and maybe a 2nd cross bar over the classifying screen to get the hose out of there. A couple of handy clamps and some Plexiglass for the back stop and your in biz. Next time your out I'd love to see a shot of the upper and lower riffle trays after shut down before clean up if its not to much trouble. How much trouble would it be to add spacers to raise the dredge adaptor since it appears you can't flip it over? Thanx for the great shots of the G1 in action. One other question, did you find that you are recovering more fine gold than with other previous recovery systems used on your claim? Mark
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goldrushpro
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Ben_Rumson,

OH MY GOODNESS! That is a lot of water! You have got to get a damper in that lower box. May I suggest a strip of unbacked miners moss for the damper. This will get the lower sluice under control. I hope you can get the water down a bit while still having decent suction. Let me know if I can help.
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Joe

  
azdave35
03:19:26 Mon
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what do you mean by a damper?...where would you put the miners moss?

  
azkid
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Quote: azdave35 at 03:19:26 Mon Apr 20 2009

what do you mean by a damper?...where would you put the miners moss?


i believe something to slow the water down a bit.... but that what I was thinking..

  
goldrushpro
13:01:10 Mon
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azdave35,

It's a piece of mat that hangs down over the sluice that the water flows under. It smooths out the water flow and gets rid of alot of the bubbles. The G-1 in general doesn't need this (I've tested for gold loss without it and when run as a highbanker doesn't need it) but I've had a few customers request this on thier unit. I like the smoothing effects of miners moss better than just a sheet of rubber - it causes the bubbles to rise up through the matting and pop. Here is the secondary recovery system at a commercial gold mine and because of the 100 to 350 mesh gold we're recovering - both the top and bottom of the G-1 has Alaska dampers on them.


  
Ben_Rumson
13:33:38 Mon
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I got to run her for another 4 hours before seeing your post Joe and I had throttled her back a bit without losing enough suction to do the job. Did a quick check on the bottom 2 sections and wasn't seeing any gold but I was recovering fine white sands wich for me do's have gold in it (You need a lighted 30x scope to see this stuff) as I am not that far from the source so I beleve I'm ok there. All the gold was in that top section but the very first few riffles where blown clean. I do have some unbacked miners moss and will add that to slow her down.
Goldcoast, my biggest piece wich is no more then a picker was caught in the first upper riffle. Yes, more gold then my last system wich was a gold buddy recerculating highbanker set inside a LeTrap with a 2000 GPH Attwood electrical pump. This was classified to 1/4 inch and fed by hand. In that system I never had any gold escape into the LeTrap. The rubber back stop I added worked well and I was able to move the discharge back to the first riffle. The height of the discharge wasn't really an issue though some rocks did get caught there It didn't cuase enough trouble to mess with. I am thinking of a way to raise the hose up and that might be as simple as adding a bungee across the back stands. I'm not prepaired to answer your question about more fine gold yet as I am still tweaking and haven't run my last trips take through my Micro sluice, but I am recovering the same size gold and that is a good sign. I will try to remember to get you that pre clean up pic.
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goldcoastprospector
14:24:31 Mon
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Joe you've got me on this one. Where hang or lay that dampener mat? Your pics show a totally different plumbing configuration on those boxes. In highbank mode with dredge attachment reversed the other way dampener could be attached, but I don't think it would keep from blowing everything out of the top box. Dampener installed in lower box would be 1/3 of the way down the riffle section to keep material from dropping directly on the dampener, should lower box be longer to accommodate this in dredge mode to achieve this smoothing affect? Seems to me with out a longer box your asking for a lot of things to happen in a very short distance. I'm not busting anybody's chops, I'm in the market for my 1st piece of mechanized mining equipment and I'm leaning towards yours considering the versatility of the G1. I know the bugs will be worked out and my Patience will be rewarded. Thanx Mark
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Ben_Rumson
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Sierra Modified G-1 High-Flo HighBanker/Dredge Combo.

I'll be out on the Claim tomorrow.

  
THE_GOLD_PIRATE
08:19:30 Tue
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Quote: tabwyo at 15:22:10 Fri Jan 30 2009

In your opinion, would this pump be good for your unit??
http://cgi.ebay.com/PowerMax-Portable-Water-Trash-2-Pump-6-5-Hp-Gas-New_W0QQitemZ120365931786QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item120365931786&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1308%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50


The XP650WP Features:
Durable PowerMax 6.5 Hp. Air cooled OHV gasoline engine w low oil shutoff and idle control.
3'' ID intake & outlet w back flow check valve.
Pump overhead lift: 91 ft.
Suction height: 26 ft.
Gallons per minute: 220 gpm..
.6 gallon fuel
^^^^ $289.99 ^^^^ "GREAT PRICE"

this is what i use on my 3" dredge/high banker....... it is 1 hell of a pump it will work you to death. lol i have had it hooked up to a high banker and a trommel at the same time... the trommel was not mine but a friend of mine and then to my high banker... and there was enough water for both.... we made a manifold made from pvc pipe.... to be honest i think we could have hooked up another high banker or trommel and still been just fine!!!!!!!! and it is a hell of a lot cheaper then a Keene or Honda pump too!!!!!! so i say go with what you can a ford man even if it is more then you need!!!! you might be able to run 2 high bankers!!!!!! just food for thought!!!!!!!!

  
peluk
17:38:42 Tue
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Thanks for the tip on the pump.I've been watching these Chinese pumps since they started appearing on the beach here.I haven't found anyone really complaining about their quality whether a Powermax or another Chinese brand.

When I checked the pump out that you mentioned,one outfit wouldn't ship it to Alaska.I didn't investigate as to the reason.I then checked out "Waterpumps Direct".

They have that pump listed as "light duty".A Briggs combination and a Mitsubishi were listed as "medium" duty.The "heavy" duty pumps were all Subaru.

I hope you'll keep us posted if you run into any problems with it.I know Honda makes pumps that they market for homeowner use which would probably be the equivalent of light/medium duty as well.

  
azdave35
02:12:07 Wed
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gentlemen...you are drifting off topic again...please start a new thread if you want to talk about pumps....we are interested in the G-1 concentrator on this thread...thanks

  
peluk
03:05:04 Wed
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Roger your last Dave.Yes,that's a professional looking finish job Ben.
The way that water lies down in that multiple settup is impressive as well.

  
Zooka
04:16:10 Wed
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Very nice pix!
A hint for working with that blue layflat. As you know, it does not like to bend, but is so darned cheap!

So take a tip from this old scotsman, and get a couple of 3 or 4 foot pieces of flrxible hose, spa hose or other pressure hose, and put one piece at the pump exit and the other at the joint going into the hibanker. Let these 2 short pieces of flex hose take all of the angles - or most of them - between the pump and the hibanker, sort of like universal joints. That will allow the blue hose to lay lots straighter, and of course if you kink blue hose, there goes your water volume...
even one such flexible joint, at the highbanker, will make a big difference.

-Z

  
goldrushpro
05:29:31 Wed
Apr 22 2009

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goldcoastprospector,

Yeah, Ben_Rumson's picture shows a great set up!

I attach it under the hopper closer to the discharge near the very bottom - right where the water pours out of the hopper. This bends the miners moss backwards and only lays over the first one or two riffles in the lower box. Ben_Rumson's will undoubtedly work just fine though.

Thanks,
Joel

  
Ben_Rumson
14:56:01 Wed
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Final sluice configuration: 5.5 HP Honda (California emission so I know that drops the HP some). Keene P180 pump. Keene 3 inch Nozle with single wire acrossed the nozle mouth to prevent plug ups (Worked with out it for awhile and it truly do's eliminate 90 percent of the plug ups). 50 Feet Flat hose. 50 feet garden hose attached to P180 bib (saves me half the work I would do with out it. Breaks up hard packed stream bed. Unplugs most nozle plug ups where I have gotten all of my plug ups to date by running it down the nozle. Cleans off 75% of sluice debri without getting up from dredge hole). 20 feet of sawdust hose for water to pump intake. 20 feet of sawdust hose for nozle to sluice. 1 foot valve in bucket. 1 G-1 sluice modified with miners moss to even out flow and remove bubbles and 1 bungee with hooks removed and replaced with 2 inch nails put in sluice stand legs to keep hose off of hopper.



I removed the backstop and moved the hose back down the sluice 1 riffle after tweaking the Honda to a half throttle setting. This was the optimum power to recovery ratio for me. You can also see how the Bungee does a nice job of clearing the hose off the hopper.




The unbacked carpet did a good job of elminating most but not all of the bubbles. The water I'm working in loves to bubble so I don't fault the carpet for not knocking them all out.



You can see the differance in this shot. It also allowed cons to settle further up the sluice.



Material left if you leave the sluice running for 5 minutes without dredging.



Material left if you shut down right away.

I ran 2 pans of the tailings and didn't find anything visible to the naked eye.

Zooka thanks for the tip on the flat hose!

Joe. I attached it where the upper part of the classifier screen is connected to the hopper by using the same bolts. Is there another way? Thanks.


  
Geo_Jim
19:56:46 Wed
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Please forgive me if you all have already discussed this subject. I have not been reading all the posted.

I did not find the video on the G-1 highbanker convincing that it recovered gold. I saw that it cleaned up quicker than a popandson sluice, but the most important feature of gold mining is gold recovery, not ease of clean up.

The video did not show any gold at all. I realize it is a demo video, but it could be a much more convincing demo video. They should had show us they were putting gold in the feed, put the square tub under the outflow, run it for a while, and then pan out the tails in the tub to show no gold lost, then pan the cons and show us all the recovered gold. If they had done that I would believe it is a great little machine.

So how about it goldrushpro convince us the G-1 will catch fine gold. I think you ought to shorten the video too. Ten minutes was too long for my attention span.

Geo Jim

  
azkid
02:34:04 Thu
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Quote: Geo_Jim at 19:56:46 Wed Apr 22 2009

Please forgive me if you all have already discussed this subject. I have not been reading all the posted.

I did not find the video on the G-1 highbanker convincing that it recovered gold. I saw that it cleaned up quicker than a popandson sluice, but the most important feature of gold mining is gold recovery, not ease of clean up.

The video did not show any gold at all. I realize it is a demo video, but it could be a much more convincing demo video. They should had show us they were putting gold in the feed, put the square tub under the outflow, run it for a while, and then pan out the tails in the tub to show no gold lost, then pan the cons and show us all the recovered gold. If they had done that I would believe it is a great little machine.

So how about it goldrushpro convince us the G-1 will catch fine gold. I think you ought to shorten the video too. Ten minutes was too long for my attention span.

Geo Jim


You know Jim... thats what I have been asking since this thread started..... everyone claims their product is the best but here I have seen no REAL results.. thats all I asked for on page 1 or 2 somewhere in this monstrocity of pages.....

  
goldrushpro
03:29:30 Thu
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Geo_Jim,

I was under the gun to get a demo video out this winter and I went to the only place that wasn't frozen solid. There is very little gold in that desert creek and it's so small that I'm sure the camera would'nt show it very good.
I beg to differ about gold recovery being the number one atribute of a highbanker. It of course is very very important - but as mentioned in previous text, some gold deposits require many clean ups because the gold is so flat that it would migrate through any system. Or that the deposit has so much heavy black sand that it must be cleaned up alot. With a system that takes 20 minutes to effectivley clean up - it's not likely that much work would get done in a day. But - the gold recovery in the G-1 is top shelf in most types of gold deposits. The mine in the pictures above is hands down the most horrible fine gold deposit I've ever seen - with 80% of the gold being MINUS 50 mesh and my G-1 system is recycling the tailings and catching the super flat and super fine 100 to 300 mesh gold and is enough to completely pay for the cost of the over burden removal. That is alot of 100 to 300 mesh gold! I think you want to hear that it won't lose any gold. But I can't tell you that. Sorry. But I can tell you that I think it has the best recovery potential of any COMMERCIALY built highbanker. I say "Potential" because if someone buys a G-1 and has no experience or "feel" for setting up a highbanker to work properly - then they could be losing gold.

P.S. the G-1 is recovering gold better for people all over the Country and the world - I hear new stories all the time about how they are catching gold that they didn't even know was there. I hope I can get you a real serious fine gold test soon but we're way behind on orders right now so it might be a little later this summer.
Thanks,
Joel

  
azkid
04:32:23 Thu
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not attacking you but... alot of people voted for the current president... well the majority I would say..... but that dont mean he has shown me he is the Best he can be.......

A little demo uncut with material running through it with a metered amount of gold vs just some gravel with no outcome I mean what do you think sells...

not just hype.. alot of proof....

Not in 1 picture in 1 post here has anyone shown the gold recoved in the G-1... There was a picture in a pan of gold.... but I can make a

sluice out of dog crap and show you gold in a pan and tell you it came from that sluice.... but is everyone going to believe it..... highly doubtfull

The only thin I believe that was asked for several times here is absolute proof of the highbanker in action with uncut from sluice to cleanup and then we see what was done...

I am not attacking anyone here just backing up a point I tried to make a while back... anyone can make a product and say its the best... or even hire Billy Mays.... to sell it.. it still does not mean it works...

hopefully you will understand now...

  
azdave35
05:14:47 Thu
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sounds reasonable to me....600 bucks is alot of money for a plastic sluice...but if it recovers very fine gold better than other sluices it might be worth it...then it would pay for itself..but if it just cleans up faster...it isnt worth that much extra money....i can buy an old keene sluice for 50 bucks that loses half the gold if thats what i wanted...if someone is gonna pay that much dough for a sluice...it better be 600 bucks worth of sluice.....ive had and tested alot of equipment over the years and they will all get fine gold...but only a percentage...you lose half of it...all the azkid is saying is how much of the fine gold will your sluice recover?

  
AceHand
05:49:46 Thu
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I'm really watching this highbanker with intrest, as are many on this forum. It doesn't get much better than this. Got the manufacturer right here, discussing the merits of his new tool. I don't know Joel, but he's doin a good job of promoting his product. Got a few members with the new product, just starting to try it out. I want test results too, but I also think it's a little early. Springs just starting to get here. Even if Joel does some testing and posts results..........I'd rather hear results from his customers. Those results are starting to come in. I'll just check back every night like I have been. I think the testing I want to see will start next winter. If I had one, I wouldn't be testing in the garage, I'd be trying it in the field. This is a great thread.
Good Luck,
Tom

  
Ben_Rumson
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I have it. I like it. I'm glad I bought it.
I've estamated. estamated mined you, at the approxemate amount I've run through the sluice VS what I've hand fed through my gold buddy -LeTrap combo that I have run for 2 years with a number of tailing checks and that got the gold running a minnimum amount of water. I'll get .4 grams of gold in 3, 5 gallon buckets of streambed material classified to 1/4 inch no mater where I run the streambed. In the red layer I do twice that or better but it fluctuates. Now I have found an even better layer and I can't even guess what that will run. I found it while using the dredge. But I would have found it with any dredge. All I can tell you is that the G-1 is pulling the same size gold I was getting with my old setup that it is now getting with the new in the same area and more of it as I'm running more material. I thought I would sacrifice to get more gold by losing the small stuff I was getting. It dos'nt look to be the case. Now. I have a limited number of days I can work this creek before it completely drys up and I've spent to long on this post allready. But you guy's have been instramental in helping me find the gold and look for the right setup and I wanted to give something back. So it's off to another 14 hour day and I'll try and make some time to add to this post.
Heres a couple of shots of the gold I didn't have room on the other post for.



Off the hopper after 1 hour. Running 1 or 2 hours diidn't make a differance. Same amount of gold.



Off the fines sluice. Twice the gold if run for 2 hours. seperating black sands is a piece of cake compared to those white sands you see. It was the end of the day and I said good enough shot.

  
tabwyo
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Azkid,

If you don't want to buy it then don't. To try and argue that Joel is intentionally dodging your demands of proof are getting old. Just admit you weren't going to in the first place and move on. You repeated "thread corrections" are old. As a satissfied customer I say it's a good investment. I revovered more gold in one day w/ the G-1 than I did all last summer with stream sluices. But how is that a fair compairison??? I am not going to take time out of my prospecting day to jump through hoops proving the G-1 just so you can throw up more hoops regarding the G-1's capabilities.

  
azkid
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Quote: tabwyo at 23:19:19 Thu Apr 23 2009

Azkid,

If you don't want to buy it then don't. To try and argue that Joel is intentionally dodging your demands of proof are getting old. Just admit you weren't going to in the first place and move on. You repeated "thread corrections" are old. As a satissfied customer I say it's a good investment. I revovered more gold in one day w/ the G-1 than I did all last summer with stream sluices. But how is that a fair compairison??? I am not going to take time out of my prospecting day to jump through hoops proving the G-1 just so you can throw up more hoops regarding the G-1's capabilities.


its a thread on the forum to discuss this product.....

I never knew it was a crime to question someones sales promotion....

I never asked you personally for anything thank you very much...

I guess its getting old getting replies like this from people that back the product without proof..


And the last time I checked.. I was not the only one that ASKED for something more than someones WORD..

But here I get told to STFU thats gotta be one of the best comical relief buzzes I have had on this forum in a while....

I mean since its a crime to question a products reliablity and capabilities... I will do my best to leave this Thread alone......... albiet I do like people telling me to STFU its pretty entertaining..... since its the internet and all.....



You Have a GOOD DAY SIR!

  
azdave35
00:18:49 Fri
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hey kid...there seems to be a couple guys on here that are trying pretty hard to shut you up...whats up with that?

  
azkid
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no clue havent even ever talked to them on here or in Real Life....

maybe they cant handle skepticism or an criticism

I just wish if they had a problem with me they would say something...

  
Angmo
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There are many more people (like me) who are reading this thread with very high interest in buying this new highbanker. We are all interested in it's perfomance and outcomes people get from it. We all ignore comments from uninteresting folk and I for one focus on peoples experiences. Joel has been up front and responsive here and from his website. I am just waiting for a few more field reports ( good and feedback for improvements). So far I am working up my budget as I feel Joel is going to get an order from me soon.

Cheers!

  
tabwyo
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Quote: azkid at 04:32:23 Thu Apr 23 2009


Not in 1 picture in 1 post here has anyone shown the gold recoved in the G-1... There was a picture in a pan of gold.... but I can make a




Ben_Rumson has posted pics of gold recovered with his G-1. If I can keep from dropping my camera in water everytime I go out I will too. Then you state that there is a pic of color in a pan but "..I can make that". Sounds pretty much like you are say that Ben is faking his pictures. And your posting on here about those who "back the product w/o proof". That to sounds a lot like calling those who have purchased the unit and commented about it liars. Or at the very worst implies that Joel is having people post on his behalf to help sell his product. Neither of which are true.

I am quite certain you don't appriciate anybody saying that you are or even implying that you are lieing. I know I don't. I wasn't telling you to STFU. But you ask for proof and people have given what feedback they have. A few posted pics. Most just made comments because that's all they had to give. And as I recall, I haven't come across one comment from anybody who's purchased the unit that has been negative in anyway.

And I have a feeling if somebody provided your "absolute proof" on here via video, you'd still say it wasn't enough. I mean if people can post missleading pics of gold in a pan and claim it came from the G-1. How hard is it to doctor a video to show it??
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DanBrunner
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Well hopefully I'll be able to provide another buyer's perspective soon. I just ordered the G1, but it sounds like a lot of other people have as well. Joel said he's a little behind on fulfillment which sounds like a good problem to have. I figured I would jump in early before the G1 rush was on. I will post pics/videos as soon as I get this thing set up. My perspective will be that of a complete novice. While some may repond to my report with negativity, I hope that others of you will just see them for what they are.

I'm working ground here in Washington State, where everything I've recovered so far has been flat flood gold with some wire gold mixed in. The only pickers I've found so far came from a tunnel that was drifting on an ancient channel. I'm very excited to see how this all turns out. I will keep you posted as much as I can.

-dan

  
azkid
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nope a absolute video with a known amount of various mesh gold I would become a believer if the results came out as advertised....

Thanx again I do not want any hard feelings about this thread..

And I do not want it to be thought that I called anyone a liar... That Sir I do not do without proof.

I am very interested in this product dont get me wrong. I just requested a little more proof.

I know Ben ran it and got pictures and I am very gratefull at that , he took the time to show people here the results.

I believe a Test of known amounts in various meshe's would be the door kicker here to shed the light.


And Its also the Internet and anyone can advertise anything they want and not need 1 ounce of proof to back it up I understand that.

But since buying the product would happen on the internet would have to happen in this case, I am requesting a little more insight into the product.

Even Other members asked for a video showing recovery of gold ... That would be the all inclusive drop dead result that no one could argue with.


Please dont get me wrong I am not here to piss off anyone or make anyone to the point that they do not want to read anything that I have said..


I am in the process of actually taking a few boxes from DanFromNY and making a similar highbanker setup as the G-1 .

I am very interested in the G-1 and its recovery rate, I am just an inquisitive buyer..


I have 3 years total immersion experience in Sales and Marketing. I served as a recruiter for 3 years for the Army. you cannot test drive or even touch, feel, experience the Army until you are in the Army.

Selling a Way of life is very difficult and you have to have all your proof and ducks in a row if you want to make the "SELL",

I am sure that the G- is a fine product in its class but a more effective marketing strategy and more "show me the product" type of buy.


10 Members of this forum have met me and know that I am a no BS guy and work just as hard as most here at prospecting. I am just making sure that I get the Bang for my Buck with this product.



AzKid

  

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