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goldrushpro
01:45:51 Thu
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Check this,

That Canadian company I was telling you about just sent me this photo showing the results of more testing. They said that the nugget on the center right of the picture is approximately 500 mesh.

That seems pretty good.....

Joe

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/goldrushpro/S-1gold1.jpgl

  
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goldrushpro
01:56:38 Thu
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I just checked a conversion chart and that peice is closer to 400 mesh...

Thanks,

Joel

  
JOE_S_INDY
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Hey Vance,

GOTCHA!

"He owns hand tools and an A-51 Keene Sluice Box."

"... build, over the winter, a new A-52 from Keene into a quality, home built highbanker ..."

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And now you, 'AZKid',

Stand down, sir - you are among good friends here. We ALL read your "stuff", we ALL admire your example and can-do attitude.

BTW - 39y, 3m USAF TSgt (E-6) Ret.

Joe
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ClickTheYellowChick
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Peluk, is it your experience on the road that basically the vendors are RETAILER's and not the mfgr, nor the wholesaler?

Just curious.

  
peluk
04:37:22 Thu
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Megan,my experience with goldshows is zero.I have never been to one.I see them advertized in the goldmining magazine...whatever it is..."Gold Prospecting"..?

In the ads for the shows I can see displays of equipment and showgoers are walking around getting a closeup.Sometimes one will be a doorprize.

It might be tough for an owner to get away and do the show circuit but there are alternatives.

  
ClickTheYellowChick
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Quote: peluk at 04:37:22 Thu Jan 29 2009

Megan,my experience with goldshows is zero.I have never been to one.I see them advertized in the goldmining magazine...whatever it is..."Gold Prospecting"..?

In the ads for the shows I can see displays of equipment and showgoers are walking around getting a closeup.


Thanks for the getback, Peluk.

I had to laugh when I read your reply about the "showgoers walking around getting a close up"

Most of the gold shows I've attended as a vendor, regardless of the room has aisle so wide you could hold drag races in them...4 abreast!

The public tromps up and the the dead center of the "lanes" and lucky is the vendor who gets them to leave the safety of being noticed in the middle of the lane and come over and check out something in one's booth.

Demo's are always good for drawing a crowd. And so are noise makers.

One of my favorites is a wooden model clackin' 5 stamp mill model belt driven by an Ertl Model John Deere steam engine, I had converted to permanent wall transformer capacity by a friend of mine.

All the guys would drop by from 3 aisle over to see what the "racket was." :smile:

LOVE that little stampmill, works like a charm every time...it was great for business that weekend in GPAA Boise show a few years back.

  
peluk
06:25:50 Thu
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People are afraid to be high pressured.I'll bet many feel like they are letting the salesperson down if they don't order one.

If I were selling,I'd just let the water recycle and feed the material.That seems to fascinate tourists here and they usually start the questions with "Are you getting any?"To which I reply,"You mean,gold?"

  
azkid
07:10:40 Thu
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Quote: Vance_in_AK at 00:33:27 Thu Jan 29 2009

AZkid, I don't have a problem with you questioning price... That's between you & him.
I was just wondering where you came up with your price for the Keene stuff.
I have the setup you mention, & I know I have well over $400 (w/o pump) in it even doing it close to 15 yrs ago.

Thanks for your service by the way!!:smile:


no problem for the service I actually have enjoyed it..


I have everything but the highbanker hopper

and it cost me less than $250 I didnt get the hopper due to no need at the time.. I could use it now.. but I work more for someone else than I do myself.. so I use thier tools to work for them.. Kringle can testify that..

The G-1 doesnt have the upper side hopper its built in to the sluice with the water bar...

so in comparson that function is not necessarily needed in comparison.. since the G-1 does not have the classificaion bars in it like the keene hopper..

I am just wondering the actual prodution and effectivenes of this product..

I work alot of material during the summer up here and and to have a better recovery rate would be a great test machine or even production pending the input that I choose. to use.

I am really looking at this setup with interest for my home shop setup.. I have a modified A52 with the addons in my 24x48 shop to process at home but know I lose gold.. its proven with the keene and a 122GPH pump recirc unit that I am losing some gold...

so I am actually looking into this once I fix my house issue....long story but 105 degree temp change in 5 days killed my lower below ground seal... another time perhaps.)

But I am looking this summer to run some tailings for a test bed to guage the production of where I work in the summers in my after duy hours and off time.. and see hte effectiveness and am looking for a more effecient way to guage the processes we are using now..


While I am a small time miner with a wide variety of experience ( hell I even panned some Iraq bedrock laying sand while there.. risked it to see wtf is up in hte desert there... I am that dedicated... took alot of coordination but I made it happen anyway..)

I am in the need to guage the operation to further my "perfection" in helping this operation succeed in a better manner.. some on the forum know where I help at and know that I am not speaking out of my 4th point of contact...

but if I bought every contraption on the market I would be in DEBT for the next 45 + years..

since I am in hte Army and dont make what most people do I have to take in to consideration nad be more objective than most people in the Gold Mining business or even hobby... so maybe that leads to crude methods or even the cheap methods.. it works for the time bieng untill I can get the capital to use what I need..

over the last 14 + years I have been able to become more effecient in the process and the equipment that I use..

Now that I am a littel higher ranking I can affrod to do alot more and spend alot more to try and exceed the previous experience but still its government work so its not that profitable for the time I put in

I sure would hope if I spend 600 bucks that this product would perfrom to my expectations and recover what I might possibly lose with a Keene A52..... thats all it goes into saying..

I do understand that I am a little short and blunt in posts.. I have been accused of this for years in forums.... I am working on trying to be more explanative and work on getting more people skills :P

I hope this explains where I am coming from asking the direct no BS questions on this product..


Its not that often that distributers and Inventors come here to defend thier product so hopefully in the long run it will work its way out and we can all get the answers needed before purchasing this piece of equipment..


  
tabwyo
15:35:35 Thu
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Joel

How wide is the riffle tray? How easily can the classification screen be replaced? Are the stand legs indipendently adjustable for uneven terrian (couldn't really tell from the demo video)? If either the hopper or the riffle try were to be damaged beyond repair. How much would a replacement tray be? Do you have any video of the G-1 in use as a dredge?

And just for kicks... if you nest an addition rffle section up to this unit do you think it would improve the recovery enough to justify the cost of an additional tray???? I know bigger isn't always better, regardless of what my wife says (paycheks guys don't be so filthy minded.. lol). But with how easy this unit is to clean and the relatively small amount of concentrates compaired to sluices with miners moss. It wouldn't add anymore to my current onsite workload.

I am in the market for a sluice/dredge combo. And this has certainly gone up on my list. Just by sheer virtue of how easy it is to store, transport and use.

  
Greg_in_BC
16:37:15 Thu
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Joel, thanks for coming on the forum and giving us straight up answers on your product. I can totally appreciate the time and investment you have into the product line having thought about manufacturing items myself in the past. Kudo's for going through all the hurdles to actually bring your ideas to fruition. It must be a very satisfying feeling to see them out in the field doing what you intended.

I am one of those who has all the equip they need (and more) and yet find myself very interested in your products. I am always looking for something that does a better job with the fine gold and is easier on the old body. I have tinkered and probably still will (Popansons ASM, Trev's Boil Box and Zooka Kitty box still on the list), however it is enticing to get a system that just plain works out of the box. The temptation is to do as mentioned and downsize some old heavier equip to get new that works.

I would be very interested in your results with measured samples of mesh/corey shape particles and the outcomes. Perhaps you could oversee a third party who carry's out the testing. It looks as if you have a very good product already and this would help to give basis to any claims that are made (unlike most manufcturers who 'test' it themselves or have no test results at all).

I like the pics showing the mesh that it has caught, however the question remains with ANY system where you have such a picture or claim - how much of that particular AVAILABLE mesh size did it catch and will it retain over what period of time.

One other question I did have is whether the plastic would deform and warp with heat (such as sitting in the trunk on a hot day)?

Personally I don't think the price is out of line if it performs as you say and with the benefits it gives. Your products have many good things going for them and I wish you lots of success.
Greg in BC

ps - do you have any Canadian distributors or are you selling direct across the border?

  
goldrushpro
16:49:55 Thu
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tabwyo,

The sluice tray is 20" wide.The hopper is 19".

The screen has 7 machine screws and nylock nuts (very quick to change)

Legs are all independantly adjustable.

Hopper and sluice angles are also independantly adjustable.

Replacement hopper or sluice would be about $95 or $100 dollars plus shipping but I would have to run some numbers to be accurate because it has never happened.

I don't have any video of the G-1 being used as a dredge. Idaho is frozen solid right now but as soon as the ice breaks I'll get up to shoot some footage.

Adding an additional sluice to the end of the G-1 would not improve gold recovery. It would allow for longer run times before clean up but like you said and as you saw on the video, clean ups could probably be performed in 30 seconds if someone challenged you to it. And if a prospector was working in a deposit that had horrible, thin - small gold that required alot of clean ups - they could add thier own on/off valve to the water hose. Then they could just shut the valve - clean up - then turn the valve back on and keep going without even having to walk over to thier pump.

Thanks,
Joel


  
Two_Alpha
02:55:13 Fri
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Greg

IRL in Prince George is selling the US Prospectors gear.

http://www.irl.bc.ca/


  
goldrushpro
05:51:08 Fri
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Greg in BC,

Yes, those pictures I put on showing the 250 and 400 mesh gold were just for fun. I understand that even a hungarian or expanded riffled sluice would catch a few specks of this type of gold through attrition. Heck , a sluice box filled with scrap iron and beer bottles would catch a few of these pieces.

As for the plastic deforming on a hot day -
In my thermoforming machine the ABS must reach 400 deg. F to form so I can't imagine a situation where the customer would have a problem.

About large, small, low corey factor, ultra fine: I am blessed that one of my consulting customers operating in central Oregon has such an increadible range of gold corey and size. He is operating in gravel from some giant, old, ancient river and it ranges from nuggets on the bedrock to 400 mesh dust and 90% of all the gold will pass through a 16 mesh screen. All I can say right now is that he was using spiral panners, reverse helix trommels, shaker tables etc. and my equipment took him from losing twelve ounces for every two thousand pounds of sluice concentrates down to 12 parts per million.
I understand you guys wanting 3rd party test results! Hell, I'd prefer that too! And you know that these commercial placer mines would not still be my customers if I was a snake oil salesman. These people make thier living placer mining and don't have the time to deal with myths and B.S. With these people you prove it to them "right now while I'm watching" kind of a thing, or your down the road. I'm proving myself and my innovations to one company and one prospector at a time.
I'm in no hurry and am enjoying watching my personal gold mines grow and my customer base grow etc.

You folks keep testing me! I've got nothing to hide and enjoy showing prospectors the benefits of these improved designs!

P.S. IRL Supply is the Canadian distributor...

Thanks,
Joel

  
azkid
06:09:56 Fri
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thats been ,y whole point here joel is testing... Most people wouldnt buy a new car that they never heard of and read on the internet without at least test driving it..

hell I jsut bought 2 brand new 2008 vehicles in the last 4 months.. and test drove both.... even though the Truck was the same truck as I had just a newer model..

I have seen many Fly-By_night companies in many countries... and alot make money and then what.. your screwed cuz it dont work...

if your design works very well then hell I would actually look into buying one. and be on the list once I get the cash...


I am just wanting proof and justification on the price.. i dont know why most people cannot figure that out......

  
goldrushpro
15:03:59 Fri
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azkid,

Yes sir I'm just like you and want some proof.
But put your self in my shoes - pretend that you just threw away 17 years of your life to come to the ultimate understanding of gravity/hydro gold recovery and to bring the best prospecting equipment to the world. Then imagine yourself trying to defend it on this forum........................

There is nothing like proof though so I put together a few pictures just for you, showing about ten thousand dollars worth of gold that my equipment recovered (that expensive, complicated equipment was losing) and don't think that these are all the pictures of big clean ups I'll ever get because when spring comes and my and my customers mines start back up - I'll send this forum pictures of tens of thousands of dollars a week of gold recovered with my equipment.

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/goldrushpro/janiemccall109.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/goldrushpro/janiemccall140.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/goldrushpro/janiemccall135.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/goldrushpro/janiemccall145.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/goldrushpro/janiemccall181.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/goldrushpro/janiemccall149.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/goldrushpro/Joel_Gold_011.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/goldrushpro/S-1gold1.jpg

Thanks,
Joel


  
tabwyo
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I don't mean to be PITA with the qestions, BTW. I'd rather ask and know vs get it out of the box and be suprised. I am pretty well sold on your G-1 and will be placing my order next week.

  
viniv
15:57:05 Fri
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I think the guys at Rick's shop are running a small honda on the test sluice probably a 2 hp or something like that and its plenty of water so that may be even more then you need Tabwyo.



Good stuff joel I was going to test run the unit today but didn't get over to Ricks to get it and its so foggy this morning I am just jumping on the highway to get to where i'm going and taking my old gold king up to the Merced River, i'll pick it up next time and do some video if thats ok with you?

  
goldrushpro
16:12:03 Fri
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tabwyo,

I sometimes use a 5.5 hp - 2inch water pump. When I do, I run it at idle and put one sharp kink in the layflat hose to get the water down to about 40 gallons per minute. This works perfect and my 5.5 runs a long time on a tank of fuel that way!

Thanks,
Joel

  
goldrushpro
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viniv,

You bet ! Take all the video you want and let me know if you have any questions...

Thanks,
Joel

  
baub
20:03:25 Fri
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Well said, Az

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Manicminer
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Do you ship to the UK?
I quite fancy the S-1 finishing sluice without the feeder hopper.

  
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The S-1 finishing sluice looks like it would be a nice cleanup tool. Kind of reminds me of a very long Micro-Sluice which in itself is a good deal.

Just from the pics and video posted on the web site I didn't see anything on this G-1 concentrator to jump up and down about. Maybe I missing something but the price didn't seem inexpensive.

  
goldrushpro
02:13:48 Sat
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Thanks geowizard,

I would love to see one up in Nome this summer. I've wanted to go to Nome for years!

Hey tell me, is there beach ground up there that is open to the public for recreational digging?

Joel

  
peluk
02:24:51 Sat
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Hold on there Geo.The Rotary Table that Cub introduced us to was the last word in recovery I thought.That's gone.
It was the same manufacturer.

Glad I didn't by one of them.I'm still waiting for some comment on why these aren't demonstrtated at shows.

I don't want to put the brakes on you but what happens if it doesn't work as described? Do I have to publish my results? what happens if i get into some bad material that has sand in it instead of pure gold?

Ha,ha,ha...this should be painted in a red and white candy cane motif with a big ganghook on the back end.

I'm still waiting for Megan's review of the S-1 with breath like bait...or is that bated breath?

  
tabwyo
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I was looking at a 5.5-6.5hp pump because I fully intend to be running a 2" dredge this summer. It's a simple thing to rig up a simple PVC bypass manifold to reduce the flow to a desirable slower rate. Yet still have the HP needed to run a 2" dredge nozel when needed.

Wich brings me to yet another question. And not just for you. First, what is the slowest GPM rate you could run and still be able to run a dredge with say... well hell, with the 2" dredge adaptor kit you offer (legnth of hose & sluice set as low as possile to reduce head)??? And if that rate exceeds your recomended 30-35gpm for optimum fine gold recovery. How would you compensate for the excess flow to still retain that super fine stuff????

  
goldrushpro
04:53:01 Sat
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Hello peluk,

The Rotary table was able to retain gold very very well but the S-1 System takes it to a proffessional grade level. And if in the future I figure out how to make a gold electromagnet - then it will be the best. But as for now the S-1 is the best thing I've ever seen no matter how much it costs. From 1/8th minus that is. Other tools are better for 1/8th plus.

If anyone is worried about purchasing a G-1 or S-1 - I suggest you hold off from buying for a while. I'm building these every day and it won't be long before you start getting reviews from people who own them.

Like I said - don't let me get away with anything! Make me prove it over and over again. I'm in no hurry!

And if ever there is a person who doesn't like my equipment - I'll keep a running tally and let you all know what my satisfaction % is.

Thanks,
Joel

  
goldrushpro
05:30:59 Sat
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tabwyo,

Wow that's a complicated question. For instance a keene high pressure/ high volume pump on a 2.5 hp rig says it will produce 100 GPM but when the water is moved through a flex hose and then crammed through a 1/2 inch hole in the jet, I don't know how many gpm will be delivered to the log or suction head? I know I've dredged with a 1.5 hp-33 gpm pump hooked to a 2" dredge before and it worked! But the suction was horrible. But I guess an 80 to 100 gpm "rated" pump and 2.5 to 3.0 HP sure makes a safe bet for a 2" dredge .
As for the G-1 - it will recover fine and ultra fine gold better at any gpm than other highbankers. With the flow from a 3 inch dredge it still recovers fine gold increadibly well! Just adjust the hopper and sluice to have less drop. Then if your realy serious - the great thing about the lower sluice on the G-1 is that you can clean up one riffle at a time to check and see how far gold has made it down the sluice. Just lower the sluice into the clean up tub (filled with water) as many riffles as you want and give a little shake side to side and the con's will fall into the tube. Then pan that material and if you find any gold down in the last few riffles you can adjust the drop angles to fine tune it to your gold deposit. Fast and easy.

In a super fine gold deposit of course I could slow it way down and try to recover every speck, but the difference between delicate operation and full production shoveling in the G-1 will not make that much difference in total gold recovered in an hour or in a day. I think in all but the most famous ultra fine gold gravels such as the Snake river in Idaho/Oregon and maybe the Fraiser River in Canada - the difference would be measured in cents per day.

Thanks,
Joel

  

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