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Geo_Jim
21:13:47 Tue
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the best concentrator table?

We are looking at buying a concentrator table, but would like some reports on what you guys think of the various tables on the market today such as the RP-4 table by Global Mining Solutions, the Micron Mill Wave table by Action Mining, the UHF by Sierra Metal Fabricators, and the table by Silver Springs Mining Equipment.

Consumer Reports magazine has not gotten around to comparing these tables, so what do you all think?
Geo Jim

  
Muley
00:32:19 Wed
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Jim, there is alot of info from user's in the arcives. I typed in "RP-4", older than 4 weeks and there is 22 separate ones.
Here is a link to just one.
http://bb.bbboy.net/alaskagoldforum-viewthread?forum=2&thread=214&postnum=0&highlight=RP-4

I have owned both the RP-4 and Action mining wave table in fact I sold the "Wave table" after I bought the RP-4 from Wade the inventor, The ones being sold now have a much better screen. The Keene table is a RP-4 table, so Steve can order you one or perhaps just go to his shop and pick one up?
The RP is alot less labor intensive. Both get gold down in the -200 mesh range if used properly.

the Silver Spring's table I have no experience with ....yet.

The 'Gemini" table with give you the cleanest cut in the end. But cost's about 3 x the money.
Keep us posted....

  
RUSTY_HAPPY_CAM
05:39:39 Wed
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Jim, I have the Silver Springs table and like it. Since it is larger over all it can process more concentrates faster than the RP4. However the speed costs you in cleanliness.Muley is correct on the Gemini table delivering clean gold. I have also seen the UHF table work and if it is set up correctly it produces very clean gold, at 13k+ it should.

  
Diamondhunter
07:39:04 Wed
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Hi Jim

My first table was an RP4. Since we had a CNC we fabricated a Gemini style table. I am in agreement with every comment posted so far. The RP4 will get the job done, I would suggest building an auto-feeder for it. Although more costly, the Gemini style definitely gives a cleaner product. Keep your eye out for a used model somewhere that has been kept indoors.

DH

  
Muley
09:03:25 Wed
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Hey Jim,
Here is a link to a Gemini style table plus alot more.

http://msi-mining.com/gold/gold-shaking-tables/

255 lb's / hr. and recovery down to -350 to -400.

Don't watch the video.....:smile:
P.S. Under the "Equipment in Stock" tab they claim to have a small and large used Gemini tables for sale.
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Geo_Jim
18:35:04 Wed
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Wow, thanks Muley. That table looks like a Gemini enough for me.
Geo Jim:smile:

  
colo_nuggets
21:20:50 Wed
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I saw it here in town, 25k!

  
12bmucker
11:22:02 Thu
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Has anyone used the Multi-Helix Spiral from Oro Industries in place of a table. I have never seen one in action but I read an article about them in the May issue of International Mining.

http://www.oro-industries.com/Helix_Spiral-Gold-Concentrator.html

  
Diamondhunter
17:43:04 Thu
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Yes we tried one. We preferred having the jig hutch product go straight into the knelson style concentrator and then finish with the table. Always had a cleaner product with finer gold that way. I'm not knocking their product, they definitely have a place somewhere.

  
Muley
15:08:40 Sat
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My homebuilt auto feeder for my RP-4, works great adjustable feed rate, works best with dry feed.




Yes that is a fuel can with the bottom cut out for the hopper and a piece of rain gutter for the slide.
:smile:

  
LipCa
01:26:30 Sun
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So, how do you control the material flow? It looks like the "mouth" of the feeder is open.

BTW, I have found that a lot of the fine gold floats away if you run the material dry.

  
Muley
03:26:41 Sun
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Lipca,
I control the feed with the speed (lower picture, white knob)of the "Syntron" vibrator that the rain gutter is bolted to. I can go as fast or slow as I want. I use jet dry in my water and recycle the water, so I don't get the float on water effect. Now I do have a water connection and do have the ability to run con's wet, but since I recycle the water I try not to be adding water.
The hole thing is set up in my garage, so having a water tight system is important, don't want momma mad at me for getting water on the floor.
I built this about 5 years ago and would not change a single thing, works flawlessly.:smile:

  
LipCa
04:50:18 Sun
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Are you saying that the bottom of the feeder is set against the raingutter at a slight angle? And that is the basic control?
I just don't see a control on the bottom of the feeder where everything comes out.

On mine, I took a large funnel for a feeder and adapted a pvc ball valve on the bottom to control the flow. I had to drill out the opening on the ball valve to 1/2 inch to get enough flow.
Works good on dry material...haven't tried wet material yet..

  
Muley
05:47:45 Sun
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Lipca,
No the hopper doe's not make contact with the rain gutter, there is 3/8" in the back and about 1" in the front air gap. If the "Syntron" is not running then the material doe's not move.And the more I turn the power up the faster the material moves, it will go alot faster than the RP-4 can process it.
Can you post a picture of your hopper/feeder?
:smile:

  
LipCa
17:03:36 Sun
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I'll get some camera batteries today and do that.

I still can't see how that material doesn't run out like through an hourglass?

What mesh is it?

  
dredger
20:55:40 Sun
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Hey Muley,

would you mind if I borrowed your pics for " Dredging with a Excavator " thread please.

dredger.
[1 edits; Last edit by dredger at 20:57:58 Sun Sep 19 2010]

  
Muley
04:02:36 Mon
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Dredger, By all means, use my pictures.

Lipca, It don't matter on the size of the material, I've used sluice box cons down to 20 mesh, From a feeding side it's just a small adjustment on the speed controller, However the RP-4 choke's when I try to run bigger than 20 mesh.

I need to figure out how to "You Tube" that way everybody can see it in action.
:smile:

  
dredger
13:17:11 Mon
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Thanks Muley,

Just working on todays concept / dream,:devil:.

Great feeder ya got there too, I have experienced vibrating feeders in plastics , Pharmaceutical, Tobacco, and earth moving, excellent feeder mechanism, and I suggest any form of gold recovery system from the Popandson sluice concentrator right up to big multi tables benefits greatly by having a constant and controlled feed,similar to Muley's,

Mate, please , can I ask you for another little favor, that is could you please take a pencil or felt color pen, and hold it on the frame, and the tip on the gutter pipe, then turn it on, then off, so we can see or you can tell us which direction and length of travel and the movement of the vibration, vertical or horizontal, ??, or what ever, and distance of travel, which could also indicate the direct of which the materials are under the most amount of force,and is that force direction with or against the fall in the angle of the rain pipe, ??????.

Also, I do not know why I have always used the pencil or a length of steel to mark or scratch marks on moving vibrating screens feeders ect, but I highly recommend it,

LipCa,

I think you will see that the materials build up at and on the bolt heads, and backing up from there to block the mouth of the bottle, when there is no vibration, I would also suggest if the feeder was stopped after running some materials, the materials below the bolt heads would continue to slid off the chute,

Also, your comment,

, " I have found that a lot of the fine gold floats away if you run the material dry "

Really reminded me of some frustrating unfruitful testing of vibration for gold recovery, and left with only one line of thought and that is a single vibration or movement, can move a chunky ( say ) 1mm, gold bit in a different directions then a fine flaky bits 1mm of gold,

Which also gave me another idea, or another use for a syntron, or vibrating chute, / rain gutter, feeder,

As a visual confirmation of how much gold is traveling through a basic concept of a vibrating "feeder ",please note, this or my concept is " not " focused on feeding to a shaker table, ( but who knows it could go that way, ??.)

Now, I could blar blar off the subject or this thread on feeders, which is directly related to " the best concentrator table ", which so far has been great,

Where as my line of thought is or was " visual confirmation AND FEEDER " now is also further focused on "recovery of high grade clean chunky gold of various classifications, as well, hmmm, which again is better suited to the " dredging with Excavator ", where the processing plant is focused on recovery of concentrated cons, not producing clean gold,

:confused:

dredger.

  
Muley
04:13:18 Wed
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dredger,
I did as you asked, I put a Sharpie agaianst the leg with the point touching the slide, turned it on and it just made what looks like a 1/32" of movement in all directions. One thing that I have observed is that as the hopper empties and the last of the cons are coming down the chute they tend to get to near the end and then turnaround and start going back up the other side of the chute, in rotating fashion. This is only in the lower portion of the slide. If I put my finger on the end of the chute with a slight pressure then the material will continue off the end of the chute. This only happens when the hopper runs out. So I would say that the energy from syntron is "Orbital"? any thought's?
:confused:

  
dredger
08:45:37 Wed
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Muley,

Great,thanks and your observations is /are very interesting,

Thoughts,

1/32",ouch, orbital, due to the length of the springs I am guessing,

And anti-clock wise direction be my first guess, (looking side on to the machine ,( bottom pic ) ,inlet on the chute /slid left side, outlet ( lower angle ) on the right side, and assuming If a clock /face were hung on the visible right side of ya machine, ( bottom pic, ),

Your observation, " One thing that I have observed is that as the hopper empties and the last of the cons are coming down the chute they tend to get to near the end and then turnaround and start going back up the other side of the chute, in rotating fashion." ,

Very interesting, I would suggest if you placed your sharpie on the lower end ( out let )of the slid, you would or might get a larger then 1/32" orbital mark /scratch , as the orbit is usually larger or amplify s as you move further away from the center of the vibration mechanism center,( irrelevant of the angle ) perhaps explaining that the turnaround is a larger diameter "anti-clockwise" orbiting / force, and placing your finger such, would reduce the orbit / force, and allow the cons to move down as you say,

Thing to remember here is your feeder works and has worked great for 5 years,so please don't change anything, but,
:smile:
Another thought could be, ( oops, before I mention that, I wanted to say I really like your any size / any shape ?? hopper bracket, very adjustable , I like it,well made to), so just to theoretically theorize lets imagine you lift the hopper, and unbolt the slid, fit a bracket to under the slid and reverse the direction of the slid, bolt it back on,and changing the direction of the slid, you might get a " clockwise " orbit, which may cause materials to rush down the slid, too fast, and suggests someone has already put a lot of thought into the angle /vibration direction of the original bracket,
:smile:
Another thought, and only a thought is to turn the Syntron on its side on to the slid and cause a " horizontal or flat orbit, ???. ", and basically shake the slid from side to side, left to right, amplifying the orbit as it reaches the end of the slid, which I suggest would also cause the materials to rush though your feeder , and perhaps also loose good control of the feed, that you already have,

Muley, mate, you asked for thoughts, and considering i hate going off thread subject, so a few thoughts on the " best concentrator table ",here we go.

Dang, as far as Tables go, ( my opin ) we " push and push " with over screen size materials, we all push and do it, to any recovery system that you have to classify or screen the cons,for tables ,blue bowls, ect, , I would suggest to improve or just allow a table to " be "more efficient, ( in your case, situation,feeder, table, we could without too much trouble, improve your recovery,)

First please , tell your screening size in Mileometers over the table, and supply pic or good description of shape / sizes of the gold you are recovering under your screen size, eg, placer, beach, aluvial river, crushed ore, ??. fat chunky flaky flat, flighty,

Sorry gotta run, back asap, dredger.

Ps, if this works it will be easy cheap,efficient and fun, I hope,

:devil:

  
Muley
04:07:56 Thu
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dredger, I on a project that is taking up all my time right now, but I have some super con's that came off the RP-4 and around the 1st of the month I wil screen them down to see how fine of gold I got. So far I've screened to -200 mesh, but can go as far as -500 mesh that's my finest screen.
:smile:

  
dredger
06:56:08 Thu
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No worries Muley, sorry i am just getting excited about this idea, that i think you put in my head, :smile:.

I think the concept will work well in my situation, ( visible confirmation ) and perhaps yours, with a small hitch,anyway i have or I am working on another post and a sketch that really should explain the idea better, pic sketch says a thousand words,

Anyway back to it, back asap.


  
dredger
23:45:28 Sat
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Muley,


" So far I've screened to -200 mesh, but can go as far as -500 mesh that's my finest screen."
:smile:

My line of thought is to classify under,???.

U.S. Standard * Space between wires
Sieve Mesh No. Inches Microns** Typical material
14 0.056 1400
28 0.028 700 Beach sand
60 0.0098 250 Fine sand
100 0.0059 150
200 0.0030 74 Portland cement
325 0.0017 Silt 44
400 0.0015 37 Plant Pollen
(1200) 0.0005 12 Red Blood Cell
(2400) 0.0002 6
(4800) 0.0001 2 Cigarette smoke

* The mesh numbers in parentheses are too small to exist as actual screen sizes; they are estimated and included just for reference.


Somewhere around -200 as the final cut, or lowest classification processed and tabled, and blowing off or washing off, to the side,

( or what ever the table term is ), all the light Sg, materials -200, all the black sand,flat and flaky gold, and only leaving the " Clean " chunky clean gold ( -200 ), my focus will be to direct the clean chunky gold in to a container / bucket,ready for the bank, I am not concerned or motivated on getting %100 recovery chunky gold, %60-80 clean will be great , my focus will be to remove as much big chunky gold before it goes on or over the following table, and hopefully " retuning " that table to get a better recovery on lighter Sg gold / materials,-200.
:confused:
I don't know if that will work,but that is my direction of thought ,
And i will fit a de - watering device to remove the water added on the feeder,before the lighter Sg get on the table, I suggest that would not be much of a prob,

:devil:, :confused:

As opposed to the to the " Visual Conformation feeder " concept i mentioned earlier, which i will post on the Dredging with a Excavator thread,asap,

Muley, I would appreciate your advice after some thought , have a good day,

  
Prospect09er
17:56:38 Sat
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Video of that UHF by Sierra Metal Fabricators you mentioned Geo_Jim. Interesting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tjtxubl3MA

http://sierrametal.com/Mining_Equipment.html
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Traveller11
01:00:55 Sun
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Hey Muley
That's a great idea for a feed hopper. I agree that most concentrators would benefit from having a steady flow of feed as opposed to dumping shovelfuls in.

Any ideas for an auto feeder that would run wet material?

Regards
Bob

  
shaftsinkerawc
01:48:14 Mon
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The table I saw had an adjustable funnel similar to the photo and had a small water jet aimed at the base to fluidize material comeing out of the funnel as well as a small water jet wetting the material as it was scooped into the funnel from the top. Seemed to work pretty well. awc

  

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