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delysid 01:37:41 Tue Sep 7 2010 Offline 128 posts BBMG Brigadier General * Reply |
the pursuit gun is clearly a strafer-clone design, what other airgun design can shoot at 150 rounds per second. they have done a very good job on this one granted, but make your own and save some money
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7echo 16:21:39 Mon Sep 6 2010 Offline 131 posts BBMG Brigadier General * Reply |
I think it's interesting that the company does NOT include a list of agencies which use this thing. That would be the first thing I would plaster all over my website if it was me. This is just like the Jaycor system, which is nothing but a Tippman paintball gun with the PSI bumped up and paintballs filled with pepper powder which is then re-sold at an inflated rate.
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DUBB  01:29:50 Thu Aug 19 2010 Offline 2255 posts BBMG LIFE BLASTER +2000  Reply |
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z460 23:06:12 Sat Feb 2 2008 Offline 4 posts BBMG Private Reply |
Does anyone know of someone using the bullpup stocks with a straffer as the engine ? That would be very cool
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Schrapnel_Life 17:29:57 Wed Jan 23 2008 Offline 14 posts BBMG Private 1st Class Reply |
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BBMachinegun 21:33:14 Tue May 1 2007 Offline 30 posts Administrator Reply |
Thats $1500 DOLLARS!
See: http://www.pursuitsautomaticweapons.com/pricing.html & Looks amazingly like a muzzlelite Ruger 10/22 stock.. http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=282511 Ok only 98% like a muzzlelite stock & I bet if you try, you could stuff a Strafer inside one & save about A GRAND.. I mean if you were mechanically inclined.. | ||||
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miltecarms 01:47:17 Wed Mar 8 2006 Offline 211 posts BBMG Brigadier General * Reply |
Look up the Larc BB gun and you will see. The actual terminology used in the Larc patent is "cofferdam"; same difference.
I really don't have a high knowledge of any one specific engineering, but do use software to aid in creating things; I post hand drawn schematics on this site due to the ease and quickness of doing so. Using software takes time, and having quick spontaneous ideas are treated better if I hand draw them first; the ones on here are sloppy, but do the trick to help others and put the idea out there. I am in my last year of school; nope, don't want to become a lawer or attorney. I am wanting to get a job with a federal police agency; currently I am a park ranger for my city and love every minute of it. Started out studying Criminology and Polictical Sceince, and then decided to go further with my degree program. | ||||
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gears80 23:51:20 Tue Mar 7 2006 Offline 83 posts BBMG Colonel Reply |
Ahh. I thought that was the case. Now sence the venturi is a concept or an act of nature, how can that be patented. When I looked up airguns, there patents and all of the cross patents, I can't find anything to do with the venturi concept. It seems to me all of these guns that come to market do not have a patent on that particular part.
What is your engineering discipline. What year of law school are you? | ||||
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miltecarms 21:24:41 Tue Mar 7 2006 Offline 211 posts BBMG Brigadier General * Reply |
You can certainly get a patent as long as your product isn't completely the same as anothers. The Venturi principle is one that serves many, many uses that are not limited to one idea, product, or use. The Venturi principle was actually crearted in regards to general air/matter flow concepts; it is actually naturally occuring in nature, if the 'enviroment' is right. Venturi takes place in aerosal cans, sand blasters, paint sprayers, BB guns, ocean currents at the bottom of the sea etc. Anymore, since the original patent is really old/out-dated, it is simply availible for use to the public. Patents have a time frame in which they may never be used without the consent of the inventor/owner of the rights; this time frame is usually 20 years, unless the fees have been paid to reinstate the patent for the patent extension period of x amount of years. Think of it as creating the better mouse trap. When and if a person gets a patent, the patent will have a cross reference to the other like patents; the cross reference is done by patent numbers. So, if you look up a patent and find a list of numbers below that patent, those numbers are all related patents to said patent.
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gears80 19:06:30 Tue Mar 7 2006 Offline 83 posts BBMG Colonel Reply |
Hello. This is interesting about patenting the venturi concept. It is just a square block with a hole in the middle and two smaller holes in the end. I have done a patent search on the u.s. web site and I can't find anything similar. Doesn't mean there isn't one.
I have a prototype gun that someone wants to manufacture using that concept. Interesting looking gun. I might make some parts for this guy but I don't want to get into trouble. As you are a law student what do you think? | ||||
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miltecarms 08:46:19 Tue Mar 7 2006 Offline 211 posts BBMG Brigadier General * Reply |
Tim Reeves, founder and inventer of the listed below website has already applied for his patent, there is a status of "patent pending" currently on the gun, which gives him dibs on the patent. I have two patents, it's not hard at all to get a patent. #1 fill out a "provisional patent application" processing cost to the USPTO is $100 for small entity (person, not company); this gives the inventor one year from date of issue/clearance to manufacture, sell, promote, and apply for the official patent. If one year comes to an end and there has been no official patent filed, it must be submitted again (this is where Joe Blow can submit your idea and get credit-totally legal). #2 Fill out the patent information booklet and follow the directions inclose $500 for small entity, and wait; it's that easy. Of course I am a law student, so it is much easier; one really doesn't need to pay thousands of dollars for an attorney to do this, it does help though. If you get something wrong when filing for the patent it will be sent back to you with the proper sugestions on how to correct the problem; this is when having a patent attoney helps, because most patent attorneys are also engineers. It is not a good feeling to have an idea returned, because you have to repay the cost(s) of filing.
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Sgt_Pepper 08:02:23 Tue Mar 7 2006 Offline 145 posts BBMG Brigadier General *  Reply |
Yeah, the gun may not be lethal but the price sure is. Still, it's a slightly better deal than paying $200 for the strafer's $10 worth of plumbing. It seems these things are springing up all over the place, but Piper may put an end to it by patenting the idea (which he shouldn't be able to do after disclosure).
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miltecarms 04:11:56 Tue Mar 7 2006 Offline 211 posts BBMG Brigadier General * Reply |
Here is another Venturi BB machine gun. This gun, like all the others, is way over priced. As you can see by the design, it is made out of a Bullpup stock that can be purchased for $100, and maybe $100 worth of components to construct-THIS IS SELLING FOR HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS!!! Thgere are a few configurations; in .177, 8mm, and 6mm.
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