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Not going to Las Vegas ( 01:01:04 SunApr 11 2010 )

Just in case you guys did not get the word, because of the poor turnout at the other shows this winter, we are not going to make the long trip down to set up a booth at the GPAA show in Las Vegas on April 17 & 18.

  
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Re: Not going to Las Vegas ( 15:24:19 SunApr 11 2010 )

Dave , could elaborate on the poor turnout , the general attendance , or what , if you wrote about , maybe a link .
I am stuck in MN. , and can not make it to there , either the gatherings or mining .
Just trying to keep a feel for what's going on , or not .
Thanks John

  
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Re: Not going to Las Vegas ( 23:28:36 SunApr 11 2010 )

Dave,
I don't know who told you that there was a poor turnout at the shows. I was at the Roseburg show as well as Puyallup and Salem. The attendance was nearly identical to last year.
There are a lot of people that come to the shows for one specific reason. It may be to buy equipment. It might be to shake your hand and talk with you a moment. I know of two guys who wouldn't even enter the show because Tom Massey wasn't going to be there.
You need all the exposure you can get in order to keep your business thriving. And I personally am counting on you and your legal team to help keep me in the waters throughout the U.S.
I won't be at the Las Vegas show but you might rethink your decision to go.

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Re: Not going to Las Vegas ( 02:53:50 MonApr 12 2010 )

Dave has to rely on our evaluation on these. I did the gold show for him in Phoenix. Compared to last year, my guess would be about 1/3 to 1/2 of the volumn of people came to the show the first day. Sunday, was for the most part, almost a ghost town. These events cost a lot to attend. Booth fees, they up'ed the parking to $10 a day, travel expenses, motels and eating out. Montine & Rusty attended it and the show in Salem. I gather from what they said, it was less than encouraging up there also. I chalk it up to the fact of the moratorium in Calif for the lack of interest. The vendors in Phoenix that I talked to said that sales were way down and many said they wouldn't even meet expenses.

LEE
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Re: Not going to Las Vegas ( 08:23:08 MonApr 12 2010 )

Really I was at the show in Salem and I was impressed by the turnout. I thought it was better than the last few years. I guess timing is everything and maybe everyone came the same time I did. I talked to one of the dredge vendors and they indicated that business had been good.

  
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Re: Not going to Las Vegas ( 13:09:52 MonApr 12 2010 )

Claudia, I didn't make the Salem show being as I am in Quartzsite AZ, so I have no idea as to the attendence there. We have a barometer that we use for volumn and it was way, way down for Phoenix. I gather from what Rusty and Montine said, that Salem was way down also.
If Dave wants the show in vegas, then I am ready to do it. Just get the supplies down here and I'll take care of it. I believe Dave may still be out of country on business, so Rusty, Montine and I can handle it if he wants. I plan on leaving here about then to go back north anyway. Still a little too cold & wet yet, but then, whats a couple of weeks early?

  
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Re: Not going to Las Vegas ( 23:44:53 WedApr 14 2010 )


Cowboy, I have been to the last 5 shows in Phoenix/Mesa and they were down considerably this year. These shows are expensive to put on and when there is poor attendance or lack of interest in 49rs then it is not profitable. This means less $$$ for the defence fund. To put on these shows at a loss wound be foolish and poor business practice. Since you feel free to critisize you should also feel free to attend these show and assist without reembursment for your time and $$ like the rest of us. In other words put your money where your mouth is and appologise for being ignorant and rude.

  
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Re: Not going to Las Vegas ( 14:34:10 ThuApr 15 2010 )

I would hope that we are friends enough to not point fingers at each other online.

cowboy444 was posting an opinion based on his attendance at one show. Dave was speaking about all the shows generally.

I know cowboy444 personally and have seen him testify at comment meetings and also know that he is one of the first to pony up in donations and legal fund money.

We are all doing our part as best we can, let's not let our public messages become something that is not in keeping with our club motto; :Miners helping Miners".

Thanks folks, you are the best,



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Re: Not going to Las Vegas ( 19:23:36 ThuApr 15 2010 )

To question is not a bad thing.

There are many variables to take into account about these shows. You can't just judge a show by how many people attend.

I have been doing gold shows since 1986, and as a matter of fact, that is how I met Dave Mac and ended up going to work for his new store in Apache Junction in 1987.

The Phx show this year had a very good crowd show up, but most people where there for the seminars and to browse. There was only one vendor I talked to who was having a good show selling merchandise. He had a new gizmo.

We did not sell as much merchandise as last year. Not by a long shot.

I believe that right now there are a lot of people who are taking a wait and see because of sb 670, and I don't care what the feds tell you, it is not getting any better yet. There are no good blue collar jobs to be had right now, and regardless of what our government might want to admit, the majority of Americans are still blue collar workers.

It costs a lot of money to do a show, and sometimes you have to spend your resources where they will do the most good.

Cowboy, don't take offense, there are enough of us who know how much you do for our cause.

As a long time club member, I for one stand behind Dave's decisions. He is exposed to more information than anyone of the rest of us, and he has more people being eyes for him than any of the rest of us.


  
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Re: Not going to Las Vegas ( 00:12:33 FriApr 16 2010 )

This is for you, Aunuts.
I've been unemployed with health issues for 3 years. I have $0 income. My significant other is the bread winner.
I volunteered my and her time at 3 gold shows. The North Bend Prospectors gave me gas money for 2 of those shows. I'm not above throwing $20.00 at any legal fund when I have it to give. I spent the entire week-end in the PLP booth 3 years ago without any money to me. What have you done?
Judge not, lest you be judged.

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Re: Not going to Las Vegas ( 16:28:26 FriApr 16 2010 )

"We are all doing our part as best we can, let's not let our public messages become something that is not in keeping with our club motto; :Miners helping Miners". Jim Foley

The GPAA is the promoter of these gold shows.

The GPAA is promoting we miners to John Q. Public.

The GPAA charges miners expensive booth fees.

The GPAA makes a profit or gets out of town.

What can GPAA hope to sell if we miners stay away?

The problem isn't miners helping miners, GPAA is mining miners.

There is nothing new about corrupt promoters fleecing hopeful miners.

Rod

  
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Re: Not going to Las Vegas ( 20:25:21 FriApr 16 2010 )

Quote: cowboy444 at 00:12:33 Fri Apr 16 2010

This is for you, Aunuts.
What have you done?
Judge not, lest you be judged.

cowboy444

For your information cowboy.
Terry McClure (aunuts)has been in this from the beginning. Donated thousands of hours, monies, helping the club, testifing in court hearings, (all on his own dime), and is THE one responsible for the USFS VS McClure decision that you can now mine and camp on your claims under. Still think he hasn't done his share?

  
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Re: Not going to Las Vegas ( 21:20:38 SatApr 17 2010 )

Sounds to me like we still have a little of the infighting going on.

It is understandable. I mean we all have taken this one in the shorts and because it was done without any scientific proof and because the legal system does not seem to give a crap about what is right or wrong legally anymore, we have been unable to get this wrong righted.

I remember when miners were friends.

I hope that soon there is a change in this issue as we will have to rename our potlucks to fight night.

  
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Re: Not going to Las Vegas ( 03:32:37 SunApr 18 2010 )

Nobody is mad Mark. We'll all be at the potlucks this summer. It's just some of us don't have all the informaTION SOMEONE ELSE HAS. DOESN'T MAKE US ENEMIES.
I may not agree with someone on here or other forums, doesn't mean they aren't welcome at my campfire. We can still share a beer. Life is to short and there are too many out there that choose to be our "enemies, I don't need or have any around that I am aware of.

  
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Re: Not going to Las Vegas ( 19:10:19 MonMay 17 2010 )

Here is how it went in Las Vegas.....

GPAA strikes gold in Las Vegas!
By Larry Brillhart

The return of the Gold Show to Las Vegas was an overwhelming success.

A crowd of 3,016 attended the debut at the SouthPoint Hotel and Casino on April 17-18. The attendance nearly doubled the second-highest Gold Show total for the year, making Las Vegas the most successful stop - by far - in 2010.

Festivities included a chapter “Meet and Greet” as well as a vendors’ dinner on April 16 and an LDMA dinner on April 17. The events were all well-attended and everyone involved seemed to enjoy themselves and the excellent food.

Fourteen of the numerous GPAA chapters at the event were represented at the “Meet and Greet.” They included El Paso, Texas; Show Low, Ariz., Durango, Colo., Concord, Calif., Fresno, Calif., Stockton, Calif., Temecula, Calif., Brea, Calif., San Diego, Calif., Hesperia, Calif., Highland, Calif., Las Vegas, Nev., and Tomah, Wisc. Even the newest chapter in New Mexico was represented.

New merchandise was also on display at the gold show, including a furnace from Make Your Own Gold Bars, the Rock N’ Gold Basket and the BucketDigger hand digging tool from BucketDigger.

Las Vegas GPAA Chapter President Deanna Costen was pleased to see the Gold Show return to Las Vegas from Primm, Nev. The larger attendance proved the move was a good one.

"All of the people who attended were in good mood - very happy,” Costen said. “I was not only happy with the vendors but about the hotel (SouthPoint) that was chosen. We (LVGPAA) enjoyed ourselves. We had a huge response.”

Costen said the success of the show was obvious on the first day alone.

“On Saturday (April 17), there was no room to move around,” she said. “I saw more people walking around with merchandise in their hands. I was really, really pleased.”

Nancy Roberts, president of the Central Valley Prospectors in Fresno, Calif., was also satisfied with the crowd.

“It was wonderful,” she said. “I was hoping for all the vendors it would be the show of a lifetime. The numbers of people were excellent. The vendors were happy and it was great exposure. The GPAA always puts on a good show.”




  
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Re: Not going to Las Vegas ( 00:56:16 TueMay 18 2010 )

That is an easy one to answer Calgold. It costs several thousand dollars to attend a show that far away. It requires 4-6 days to load attend and unload. Your people are tied up for a couple more days preparing for or handling the paperwork from a show. You need quite a lot of sales to offset that overhead. I went to the Phoenix show and the Eugene show for Dave and they were very slow and poorly attended. It seems that most of the other shows this year have been lacking also. I am glad that the Vegas show was a good one; the industry needs every positive it can get this year.But remember that is hind sight and it is always 20 20

  
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Re: Not going to Las Vegas ( 17:42:39 TueMay 18 2010 )

That article was written by GPAA staff. It is written to keep attendance up and sell booth space.

Just look at one sentence,
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" A crowd of 3,016 attended the debut at the SouthPoint Hotel and Casino on April 17-18. The attendance nearly doubled the second-highest Gold Show total for the year, making Las Vegas the most successful stop - by far - in 2010."
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It was the first time the show was being held there. Have you ever heard of the SouthPoint hotel casino? As Rusty said, hindsight is 20/20, but nobody could know if the show would be good or bad before the show.

Next the crowd of 3016. And then the fluff, "nearly doubled the second highest Gold Show total for the year".

Vegas population: The estimated population of the Las Vegas metropolitan area as of 2008, was 1,865,746

Boise population: a July 1, 2007 estimate placed the population at 587,689

I love math.

The Boise Metro population is 1/3 the population of Las Vegas Metro, or Las Vegas is three times larger than Boise.

Vegas show, 3016

Boise show, 2324 doubled 4648
Puyallup show, 1779 doubled 3558
Salem show, 1767 doubled 3534

While I would give a little leeway for the nearly double claim for the Puyallup or Salem show, 3016 is nowhere near 4648, the spread being 1632.

The article has spin for promotional reasons.

Don't believe everything you read


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Vegas,_Nevada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boise_metropolitan_area
http://www.goldprospectors.org/EVENTS/GoldTreasureShows/GoldshowArticles/tabid/124/Default.aspx?Search=phx%20attendance&SearchType=Keyword&BlogID=16




  
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Re: Not going to Las Vegas ( 20:31:43 TueMay 18 2010 )

If it were your or my show, it would probably have been written the same way(for our purposes....)
No matter who writes an article, you have to read between the lines....

  
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Re: Not going to Las Vegas ( 21:39:28 TueMay 18 2010 )

I totally agree with you LipCa,

If it were my show, I would definitely write about it in a way to promote it.

My personal integrity would make my version more accurate, but you are 100% correct that it would have spin.

  
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Re: Not going to Las Vegas ( 14:25:06 WedMay 19 2010 )

John, I think you misunderstood. I would doubt any vendor is setting on their hands. Like you they are all scrambling to save and make every dollar they can. This last year has caused a lot of great small shops to close up including some that have been around a long time. Even the big guys like Keene and Proline have been hurt very badly by 670. The large investment in overhead for the shows is only a good idea if they have a reasonable chance of making money. This years shows, apparently with the exception of Vegas all had seriously reduced attendance from previous shows. On top of the low attendance the people that did come did not seem to have the cash for the big ticket items. It takes lot of gold pans, digging tools and small items to pay the overhead.

  
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Re: Not going to Las Vegas ( 19:32:33 WedMay 19 2010 )

actually John,

The large clubs are a deal when compared to the money an individual has to lay out to buy a claim and play the NOI and POO game, then cover bonds, and wait for all that to take place.

Not all miners mine to make a living from it. Some people have limited time and resources, and the club route is a far better choice than the alternative.

miners helping miners, stand together.

Individuals by themselves will perish to over regulation.

That is Karma

  

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