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South Umpqua ( 15:52:58 TueFeb 7 2012 )



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I couldn't resist the urge to look at the South Umpqua River, so I went for a drive yesterday, making my way upstream to the town of Tiddle, before returning home. The river level is up a bit and it's a little murky, making it impossible to see much of the bottom structure. I stopped to dig sample holes in a couple of places but did not have enough time to really do a good job of sampling. It was about time to start home when I scooped up about half a bucket of gravel and dirt from behind an outcropping of bedrock and found the gold in this picture. This was just downstream from the school, so keep this a big secret and don't tell anyone. I predict the South Umpqua is going to be good for those with dredges!

  
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Re: South Umpqua ( 16:01:23 TueFeb 7 2012 )

I have a question about the map that indicates these new areas on the Umpqua River. I am wondering if dredging and highbanking is limited just to the areas highlighted in green on the map, or if the highlighted areas are just our access areas to the river. Can anyone clear this up for me please?

  
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Re: South Umpqua ( 06:04:54 WedFeb 8 2012 )

Good going, Jim!!

Yes; it's going to be good!

  
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Re: South Umpqua ( 15:49:44 WedFeb 8 2012 )

The highlighted areas are the only areas we were able to locate that are open to the general public. All other areas are either private property or have valid federal mining claims and those property rights must be respected.

You may be able to find an owner who may let you mine on their property located outside of the highlighted areas, but that would be between you and the private property owner.

On another note, my understanding is that there is no permit available from ODEQ that allows highbanking within the highwater area of any waterway in Oregon. The 700 permit allows mining only within the flowing water and the 600 permit only allows mining outside of the highwater area of any waterway. Neither of those permits cover the area from the flowing water to the highwatermark.

  
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Re: South Umpqua ( 03:34:42 ThuFeb 9 2012 )

I am hopping to make it up there this summer, I sure miss the sound of gravel in the nozzle!:whoohoo:
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Re: South Umpqua ( 18:33:10 ThuFeb 9 2012 )

Rivatron: You are correct---not many working sounds as beautiful as rocks, sand, and yes--good stuff heading to the sluice box.

  
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Re: South Umpqua ( 17:17:24 FriFeb 10 2012 )

I think that there might be confussion over the term "high water". From what I've done, seen and heard the 600 permit (and free State permit)covers highbanking from the current water edge to the top of the mountains in Oregon. Unlike the annual 700 ($25.00) permit the 600 is good for something like 6 years.

If you have questions you can contact:
DEQ EUGENE OFFICE ,WESTERN REGION
ATTN: KATHY JACOBSEN
1102 LINCOLN ST, SUITE 210
EUGENE, OR. 97401
1 541 686 7838


  
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Re: South Umpqua ( 14:19:19 MonFeb 13 2012 )

If the weather will cooperate I will make another trip to that area pretty soon. I was truly shocked to find such beautiful flakes so quickly and with so little effort. It was very hard to pull myself away to return home knowing that I was probably digging the best spot I had ever found. I filled the hole and made a vow to return as quickly as I can.

  
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Re: South Umpqua ( 16:16:51 MonFeb 13 2012 )

Lets clear this up.

You need two permits for mining in a riverbed in Oregon. One from the Department of State Lands that covers you moving rocks and putting them back, and one from ODEQ that covers your turbid water.

After spending much time talking to Kathy Jacobsen at ODEQ on this subject back in December 2011, so that the New 49ers club would have a clear understanding on this very issue, Kathy referred me to Jim Billings.

Jim Billings is the main enforcement officer for mining issues at ODEQ.

As per the conversation he and I had on this very subject, the 600 permit only covers mining OUTSIDE of all stream courses in Oregon. It does not cover any riparian areas, or in other words any dry area that may have flowing water during a flood event. Explained another way, it does not cover any of the area between the current flowing water level and the 100 yr flood line.

The 700 permit covers mining only within the current flowing water.

There is no general permit available from ODEQ that covers highbanking in any riverbed in Oregon outside of the current flowing water at the time of mining.

If you want to highbank between the current flowing water and the 100 yr flood line in any stream bed in Oregon, the only permit available from ODEQ at this time is an individual permit, and the application/processing fees alone are almost $10,000.00

And yes, the Department of State Lands free General Authorization, the Recreational Placer Mining Authorization, does cover highbanking, but once again you also need a permit from ODEQ and the only permit they have at this time that covers highbanking between the current water level and the 100 yr flood line is an individual permit.

Mark Chestnut

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Re: South Umpqua ( 18:57:24 MonFeb 13 2012 )

We are going to have to feel our way through this as we go.

But Mark's preliminary work on this is what prompted me to point out a few times in recent newsletters that the high-banking rules are more user friendly on our extensive properties just over the border in California.

  
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Re: South Umpqua ( 20:00:52 TueFeb 14 2012 )

Yes Dave, highbanking rules are definitely more friendly down south...

But, ever since I moved here to Oregon, I am finding that a lot of the guys have adopted the old Nike slogan -- "Just Do It..." :devil:

John
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